Some Ol' Time Deer Hunting Lore

Status
Not open for further replies.

Shawnee

member
Joined
Oct 17, 2006
Messages
3,306
Location
Along "That Dark and Bloody River"
As a kid I read that some of the "old time" (pre-WWII) deer hunters had a theory about deer behavior that, in my subsequent observation, seems to have some considerable merit, at least under some conditions.

Deer use their senses of sight, hearing, and smell to detect danger of course. But how do deer react to the messages sent by their senses ?

The old theory I read of claims that - under many, if not most, conditions - a deer will not flee from an area until it has received "danger messages" from at least two of its' senses... in other words, it (usually) will require a sort of confirmation of the danger message. Possibly a second "message" from the same sense as the first would do too.

Part of the logic of the theory is that when the deer is first alerted to potential danger it must determine and decide the extent of the danger and which direction is a safe route of escape. That would seem logical but,at least in some cases, that information might be carried by the first danger message, ie. hearing voices above it on a ridge.
Another part of the logic is that the deer will wait to see IF it should flee or if it should lay low in cover and simply let the danger go by... which obviously requires subsequent messages much of the time.

A good example of the "confirming sense" theory is when a deer suddenly sees a motionless hunter on a stand. The deer may see him plainly but as long as there is no motion, and no "confirmation" by sound or smell... the deer may very well "freeze" while looking at the hunter. It may also suddenly stamp its' foot to see if the hunter (out-of-place object) gives itself away by moving. The deer may also snort suddenly to see if the object moves. However, the "snort" is often when the deer has decided the danger is real and uses it to warn other deer nearby. Another thing deer do sometimes is appear to look away from the object only to quickly look back to it - as if feigning disinterest hoping to catch the object making some telltale movement.

Logic would seem to decree that this theory is more applicable in environments where the deer's senses have more difficulty in detecting/pinpointing danger (eg. thick woods, perhaps scrubby sub-desert, etc.

Another possible example this theory coming into play is a situation fairly common in mixed farmland and woods. A couple of the beanfields that I and my farmer neighbor have cropped deer from are a good illustration.

There is a long narrow beanfield - about 125yds. wide by 420yds. long - that is surrounded on three sides by thick woods and many deer feed on the bean plants there.

But the west end of the field is bordered by the tall grasses/plants of a CRP plot and is the highest point in the field. We set up to hunt this beanfield in the evening so we have tall plants and the sun at our back (in the deer's eyes if they look our way).

Several times when there were a half-dozen or more deer in the field we have shot a deer and the rest of the deer, though alert and looking around, quickly resumed feeding as if nothing had happened. In fact, we have shot as many as four deer in the space of perhaps 10 minutes this way and the remaining deer did not leave the field until we stood up and moved toward the field.

Even though the deer heard the shot(s) - they had no "confirming message" from their sight or smell.

Along with that, the wall of trees on three sides of the beanfield acts as sort of reverberating mechanism and the deer always seem confused about which direction the noise came from - and thus they don't flee immediately because they haven't determined a safe direction in which to flee.

We have used that to our advantage in that it often enables us to cause a moving deer to stop in its' tracks to reassess the direction of the danger. If a deer is moving and we are in the right spot, we can shout (sharply) to cause an echo and many, many times the deer will hit the brakes, at least long enough for a shot. This has worked so many times for us the shooter will get set then give the Ok for the shouter to yell. If the deer freezes for more than a couple seconds it's likely on its' way to Heaven. This ruse works for lone hunters too. The key is being in an area where the sound will bounce around and thus cause the deer to hesitate.

So, with all that, it's nothing but some hunting lore passed along. Not sayin' it's Gospel and not sayin' it ain't. Next time you're deer hunting maybe see if you can tell if it's on the money or just some old yesteryear woodsmoke.

:cool:
 
Last edited:
I adhere to this theory . . . I've been blessed to have watched/hunted deer for many years. One sensory perception puts them on "alert;" the second places them in "alarm & escape" mode. Mulies, whitetails . . . doesn't matter . . . same observation. IMHO, elk are easier to stalk than deer (when in groups); watch the one cagey cow . . . the balance of the herd are busy feeding. With deer, any one of the nervous nellies may pop their head up at any time (usually after a vigorous tail-twitch).
 
Hi "Justice..."


Makes sense to me too but often the remaining deer act scared but thoroughly perplexed by the body of the comrade, and reluctant to leave it. I've watched them stare and circle and bob their heads and stomp their feet as if trying to figure out why their companion is just lying there. In fact, More than once I've shot a second deer that was doing that sort of thing.

In beanfields at this time of year, a dropped deer will be out of sight, even from a few yards away. So if other deer did not actually see the deer fall, they may experience less alarm, especially if the dead deer is 30 or 40 yds. away or more. That happens fairly frequently because bucks will feed in a group and another group of does/fawns may feed in the same field but away from the bucks. Since here we are not allowed to shoot bucks on cropping tags it isn't unusual for them to ignore what's happening with the does.

Velvet is coming off the antlers right now so the bucks are starting to split up and getting harder and harder to see. A month ago we were seeing groups of from 5 to a dozen large bucks almost every evening.

:cool:
 
Deer do seem to need at least two different senses in order to bolt. When I'm drift hunting in my kayak for ducks I see them all the time. And unless I move, I can drift right up to them before them bolt. They'll stomp and blow, but so long as I just sit quiely they wont go anywhere. Of course both the boat and myself are comoed so maybe that is why I don't spook them too bad. They're a lot of fun to watch when they go thru their antics trying to get me to move. And boy, do they take off when I yell "Hey" at them. :D
 
Distance seems to play a factor in alarming deer. I've seen bucks just stand around if missed when shot at, in the 300+ yard distances. Up closer? "G'bye, darlin'."

With western deer, some whitetail but mainly mulies, the bigger bucks will lie up just below the downwind crest of a ridge, and close to a saddle in the ridge. They can see or hear anything coming up from below, and smell or hear anything coming over the ridge from upwind. (So, hunt along the axis of the ridgeline, traversing the downwind edge.) When spooked, they'll sneak or run upwind and through the saddle in order to have the brush cover that's commonly there.

By and large, big bucks run uphill and upwind. Little bucks and does are likely to run "any whichaway". If you spook a group, don't watch the does; the buck's unlikely to be anywhere near them.

Hearsay: If a buck was ever wounded, the antler on the off side from the wound will grow sorta odd-like, during the ensuing years. Anybody ever heard that? Or seen evidence?

I've read that a deer's attention span is around twenty minutes, so if something spooks deer in your area, you oughta have a back-to-normal world after a half-hour or so. That might explain why a guy can shoot a deer from a stand and then sit and wait for a while and have another deer wander by.
 
"If a buck was ever wounded, the antler on the off side from the wound will grow sorta odd-like, during the ensuing years. Anybody ever heard that? Or seen evidence?"


I read that somewhere too but have no idea if it is correct or not.


:cool:
 
The old theory I read of claims that - under many, if not most, conditions - a deer will not flee from an area until it has received "danger messages" from at least two of its' senses...

This too has been the majority of my experience with deer that are undisturbed. Deer heavily pressured during hunting seasons tho will often jump/run at only a sound....and older deer, like older Turkeys, will sometimes back out of an area when their "6th sense" tells them somethin' just ain't right with this scenario.
 
Interesting. One mantra I hear is:

"A deer can hear you 3 times, see you twice, or smell you once, before they are gone".

I think that where I hunt, where there is a lot of hunting pressure, the 2-sense confirmation thing doesn't totally fly. When it comes to scent, they are gone - one whiff and it's over. But on sight or hearing, I'd buy that they need confirmation of each of those two before bolting (at least early in the season). Also, when they scent you, they run a long ways - 75 to 100 yards or more. When they just see something (you) move or hear leaves crunching, they may bound about 15 or 25 yards, then stop and look.

On the snort, yes, there are two kinds. There's the "mild" snort or two, where they're just trying to get you to move and think something may be up. And then there's the loud, quickly-repeated snorts (coupled with running away) that means "I have decided there definitely is danger, and I'm warning my fellow deer". These are hard to tell apart sometimes, but the other deer can tell them apart. On the mild snort, the other deer may ignore it, even if the deer snorting is walking quickly away or bounds a few yards. They won't ignore the loud, repeated snorts coupled with fast running. They will follow suit and take off.
 
Deer (and other animals) vary a lot depending on perceived danger (just a human being) vs. real danger (hunter). I’ve got a funny Video of me waving my hand and shouting at a deer on the king ranch, I should have just gotten out of the stand and started petting him. At my farm in east TX (where I don’t hunt the deer) we’ve had does and fawns come up less than 50 yards from us, our running truck, and the dog while we were putting out corn to bate for hogs. On the flip side, my buddy has a place in west TX that has good deer and is hunted regularly. You can walk up to the edge of a ridge and the deer in the valley (already 200-300 yards away) run 100s of yards until they get out of sight.
 
Its true with many animals. They won't flee until they determine which direction the trouble is located.

We have dropped one antelope after another until all tags filled. They bunch up and are confused by the shot echos. Until they spot movement, they just mill around in confusion.

TR

2pronghorns.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top