coloradokevin
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Ahh, the old dry fire / slide slam debates came alive again today after I visited a local gun shop!
For as long as I've been around firearms (25+ years) there has been some serious debate on these issues, with some people claiming that you can't dry fire weapons without damaging them, and still others stating that you will damage weapons by letting the slide fly home on an empty chamber.
Back when I was growing up, dry firing was spoken of as the ultimate gun store counter sin, and the obvious mark of a newbie. Some of these folks also expressed similar distaste towards the practice of releasing the slide stop/release and letting the gun's slide go forward on an empty chamber.
Today I was visiting a local gun store, and was looking at a few pistols/rifles. As is common courtesy (at least in my mind), I asked the shop employee if I could dry-fire the guns before I did so. The employee consented on the pistols, and requested that I didn't do so on the center-fire rifle. He also commented that the most damaging thing you could do to a pistol is let the slide slam forward on an empty chamber.
Here's my take on these issues:
1) Dry-firing is perfectly acceptable in most modern centerfire pistols, shotguns, and rifles. There may be some exceptions to this rule, but I'm not aware of any that I can personally name at the moment. The guns in question today were Glocks, Sigs, Springfield XD's, 1911's, and a Remington 700 bolt-action rifle. I don't believe that dry-firing harms any of these firearms (though I'll always respect the wishes of the shop where I'm visiting).
For my part of it, I dry-fire my Glocks on a daily basis as a routine part of my pistol practice. Dry-firing is a very useful way to train when you aren't shooting live, and can help you overcome many problems that could otherwise develop in your shooting. I've dry fired my duty weapon thousands of times, and have live fired it probably 7,000+ rounds. No problems here.
Moreover, the 1911 crowd that I regularly shoot with lives by dry-firing as well. Some of these guys are masters class USPSA shooters, and dry fire thousands of times per week. No harm to their guns.
2) Slide slam issues are another area where I think the concerns are a bit overblown, at least when it comes to Glocks, Springfield XD's, etc. I am not quite as familiar with the 1911's, which was the gun in question in this instance. The shop employee mentioned that you would do damage to the sear, and thereby ruin your trigger in the gun.
While I don't know enough about the 1911 system to confirm or deny this statement, I have seen this practice performed on enough 1911's that it leads me to believe that this is probably more of a myth than a fact. In fact, one of the 1911 shooters that I often compete with has an STI 1911 in which the slide stop has been intentionally disabled for competition purposes. This is an IPSC limited class gun, and the person who uses it is a masters class shooter who probably puts thousands of rounds per month through the gun.
Because the slide stop has been disabled, this firearm will naturally drop the slide on an empty chamber every time he runs a magazine dry. In my personal experience, I've yet to shoot a 1911 that has had a better trigger job than this one! So, that experience leads me to believe that this concern may also be a myth for the 1911 (at least with an STI race gun).
For my part of it, I've never concerned myself with gently handling the slide on my Glocks either. These are duty weapons to me, and they were built for combat. I could be wrong, but I believe that the forces involved in firing 7,000+ live rounds through the gun would far exceed the potentially damaging force that could occur by letting the slide move freely forward on an empty chamber! My gun has seen years of duty use, with lots of practice time. It still performs flawlessly.
Naturally, I'm sure that there are plenty of documentable exceptions to this rule, and I'm sure that we could produce examples of guns in which damage could occur through these practices (old revolvers, .22 rimfire chamberings, etc). But, I'm not inclined to buy into these rumors for the guns I've listed, at least not without further proof.
What is YOUR opinion? And, can you provide any evidence to support or refute the opinions I've stated?
For as long as I've been around firearms (25+ years) there has been some serious debate on these issues, with some people claiming that you can't dry fire weapons without damaging them, and still others stating that you will damage weapons by letting the slide fly home on an empty chamber.
Back when I was growing up, dry firing was spoken of as the ultimate gun store counter sin, and the obvious mark of a newbie. Some of these folks also expressed similar distaste towards the practice of releasing the slide stop/release and letting the gun's slide go forward on an empty chamber.
Today I was visiting a local gun store, and was looking at a few pistols/rifles. As is common courtesy (at least in my mind), I asked the shop employee if I could dry-fire the guns before I did so. The employee consented on the pistols, and requested that I didn't do so on the center-fire rifle. He also commented that the most damaging thing you could do to a pistol is let the slide slam forward on an empty chamber.
Here's my take on these issues:
1) Dry-firing is perfectly acceptable in most modern centerfire pistols, shotguns, and rifles. There may be some exceptions to this rule, but I'm not aware of any that I can personally name at the moment. The guns in question today were Glocks, Sigs, Springfield XD's, 1911's, and a Remington 700 bolt-action rifle. I don't believe that dry-firing harms any of these firearms (though I'll always respect the wishes of the shop where I'm visiting).
For my part of it, I dry-fire my Glocks on a daily basis as a routine part of my pistol practice. Dry-firing is a very useful way to train when you aren't shooting live, and can help you overcome many problems that could otherwise develop in your shooting. I've dry fired my duty weapon thousands of times, and have live fired it probably 7,000+ rounds. No problems here.
Moreover, the 1911 crowd that I regularly shoot with lives by dry-firing as well. Some of these guys are masters class USPSA shooters, and dry fire thousands of times per week. No harm to their guns.
2) Slide slam issues are another area where I think the concerns are a bit overblown, at least when it comes to Glocks, Springfield XD's, etc. I am not quite as familiar with the 1911's, which was the gun in question in this instance. The shop employee mentioned that you would do damage to the sear, and thereby ruin your trigger in the gun.
While I don't know enough about the 1911 system to confirm or deny this statement, I have seen this practice performed on enough 1911's that it leads me to believe that this is probably more of a myth than a fact. In fact, one of the 1911 shooters that I often compete with has an STI 1911 in which the slide stop has been intentionally disabled for competition purposes. This is an IPSC limited class gun, and the person who uses it is a masters class shooter who probably puts thousands of rounds per month through the gun.
Because the slide stop has been disabled, this firearm will naturally drop the slide on an empty chamber every time he runs a magazine dry. In my personal experience, I've yet to shoot a 1911 that has had a better trigger job than this one! So, that experience leads me to believe that this concern may also be a myth for the 1911 (at least with an STI race gun).
For my part of it, I've never concerned myself with gently handling the slide on my Glocks either. These are duty weapons to me, and they were built for combat. I could be wrong, but I believe that the forces involved in firing 7,000+ live rounds through the gun would far exceed the potentially damaging force that could occur by letting the slide move freely forward on an empty chamber! My gun has seen years of duty use, with lots of practice time. It still performs flawlessly.
Naturally, I'm sure that there are plenty of documentable exceptions to this rule, and I'm sure that we could produce examples of guns in which damage could occur through these practices (old revolvers, .22 rimfire chamberings, etc). But, I'm not inclined to buy into these rumors for the guns I've listed, at least not without further proof.
What is YOUR opinion? And, can you provide any evidence to support or refute the opinions I've stated?