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In light of the Katrina mess, I wouldn't call these "extreme" precautions - just common sense.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-06-bird-flu-prepare_x.htm

Are you a sitting duck for bird flu?
By Anita Manning, USA TODAY
Will Stewart is bracing for a disaster: a flu pandemic that scientists and public health experts say in a worst-case scenario could cause worldwide calamity, kill millions of people and disrupt the global economy.

The Stewart family has stocked a closet in the basement with food should a flu pandemic strike.
By H. Darr Beiser, USA TODAY

An engineer who lives on a farm in Loudoun County, Va., outside Washington, D.C., with his wife and two children, Stewart is stockpiling food, water, medicine and even guns to defend his family in the event of civil unrest.

Though his actions may seem over-the-top, he says, he is not overreacting, only preparing. "I've never felt panicked by this. I've just seen that this is likely to be so many months away, so let's take steps to prepare."

Having read about the so-far unstoppable spread of bird flu in Southeast Asia and into Eastern Europe, the H5N1 virus that has infected 134 people, killing 69, he knows it is one mutation away from having the ability to spread easily from person to person.

The threat of a flu pandemic has led governments and public health ministries around the world to make plans.

"Pandemics happen," U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt says. There have been 10 in the past 300 years, he says, and "we're overdue and underprepared" for the next one.

His agency has advised Americans to plan "as you would for other public health emergencies."

Stewart, who does risk assessments for engineering projects, is one of a focused minority of Americans who are going a bit further. While odds that a flu pandemic will occur in the near future are unknown, and in fact may be quite low, if it happens, the consequences are so serious that action is warranted, he says.

A cadre of prepared Americans believe it's important to be ready for a flu pandemic at least as deadly as the 1918 pandemic that killed roughly 50 million people worldwide, including 500,000 in the USA.

These people are talking to neighbors and relatives, making contingency plans and discussing their concerns online at websites such as fluwikie.com.

The site, launched six months ago, is visited by 3,000 to 4,000 people a day, says publisher Melanie Mattson of Falls Church, Va.

Judging from traffic to the site, Mattson estimates that thousands of people in the USA and Canada are taking steps to prepare for a pandemic.

This level of concern poses problems of its own, says Marc Siegel, an internist, associate professor at New York University and author of False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear (Wiley, $24.95).

"We're going to have a lot of problems if we keep alarming ourselves about things that aren't going to happen," he says. If the H5N1 virus starts to spread among humans, it could become less virulent, or it could fizzle out, he says.

Siegel doesn't discount the possibility of a future pandemic, only its likely imminence.

"There are a lot of disagreements among public health experts, but one thing everybody agrees on is there is no sense that this is about to happen."

Stockpiling medicine

Vaccines are being developed, but they may take years to produce. Many countries are stockpiling antiviral drugs Relenza and Tamiflu, which are thought to be effective in preventing or lessening the impact of the avian flu, and thousands of people have secured prescriptions, just in case.

U.S. health officials and infectious-disease specialists have discouraged individual stockpiling, citing shortages and the risk of widespread misuse leading to drug-resistant viruses, but some doctors disagree with that advice.

Washington, D.C., internist Bruce Rashbaum says he has had "many, many patients ask for Tamiflu," and he has written more than 50 prescriptions for it. "It is useful for seasonal flu and has a five-year shelf life," he says.

Several patients have asked for multiple courses of treatment. "People are starting to panic," Rashbaum says. "These are smart, intelligent people."

No 'cavalry' to the rescue

Rashbaum says he won't write a prescription for multiple courses of treatment, but he doesn't see harm in allowing patients to keep one five-day treatment course (10 tablets) on hand.

"There's so much anxiety out there, and the medicine is really very benign," Rashbaum says.

Internist Grattan Woodson of Decatur, Ga., says that when he first started to read about the possibility of a pandemic, "it was hard as heck for me to believe we could be at risk for something like this."

"I couldn't come to terms with the fact that our modern hospitals and medical systems couldn't save us. Then I realized we are more vulnerable today than in 1918 because we live in cities, we're so utterly dependent on food being brought in from outside and on the electrical grid, and also we're much older. There are a lot of people alive today who are really frail, who are highly susceptible to flu."

In a disaster such as an earthquake or hurricane, help can come from outside the region, but "when we have a pandemic, there is no outside," Woodson says. "There won't be a cavalry coming over the hill to rescue us. We'll all be on our own, each town, each village, each neighborhood, and the neighbors are going to need to pull together to take care of each other."

Woodson, author of The Bird Flu Preparedness Planner (Health Communications, $4.99), has his own plan in place. (Related: A look at two approaches)

He will keep his office open as long as possible, then, if necessary, he will move out to a farm in the country and continue to practice medicine. He has supplies, solar collectors, a well, and yes, he has bought a handgun and a shotgun. "I'm concerned about the medical consequences of pandemic influenza," he says. "I think there could be quite a bit of illness and death."

That could "spill into civil effects, resulting in a period of anarchy and civil disorder, and that could result in more deaths. That's the reason to have a gun," he says. "I live very close to the city, and I think there's a possibility the police would not be able to function well here."

Woodson hopes his preparations will not be needed, but "I think we're getting ready to have a serious pandemic of influenza, and I think it's going to happen soon."

Stewart's plan of action

For several weeks, Stewart has been assembling a supply of water and food, enough to last three to six months.

He is buying equipment, such as rain barrels to capture fresh water and Mylar bags to store bushels of barley and soybeans. His home is solar-powered, and he has a well. He keeps a few sheep that could provide food if necessary, and he is prepared to provide a safe refuge for his immediate family, his siblings and their families.

He says he has a "varmint gun" at the farm and plans to buy one or two more weapons because, like Woodson, he believes that if employees are too sick to go to work, grocery shelves will empty quickly, and there could be panic.

"I believe there's going to be different classes of marauding people," he says. "There will be gangs just looting, five or eight people in a gang. Depending on how long this lasts, there could be marauders who are former military. So there will be four male adults in this house who know how to use firearms."

Peter Sandman, a risk analyst and consultant to international businesses and governments, including the HHS, says that in any situation of perceived threat, there are those, such as Stewart, who go to extremes.

"They periodically turn out to be right, but it's a bell curve, with one edge doing absolutely nothing and saying, 'Bird flu? What's bird flu?' " Sandman says. "That's a rather bigger edge" than the other extreme.

The goal of risk communication is to move people from the idea that "this is something for the government to worry about" to the attitude that "this may be serious. Let me consider what I can do and do what is practical for me, and then I'll get back to my normal life and stay vigilant, and if it comes, I'll be better prepared."

Sandman says of greater concern than the too-ready are those who do nothing: "the huge numbers of people who don't have three days' food in their house, and more to the point, who have not yet thought if there is a pandemic" what they'll need to do.

"That kind of thinking isn't nutty. It may turn out to be necessary, and if not, it doesn't disrupt your life. We want as many people as possible thinking about what a pandemic is like and what a severe pandemic is like."

The last ones, in 1957 and 1968, were mild. "It was a big deal for hospitals," Sandman says.

"There were not enough ventilators. Some schools closed down for a couple of weeks. The only thing you have to do to get ready for (a pandemic similar to the one in) 1957, if that's what's coming, is hope the feds know what they're doing. But if it's 1918, then it's not all medical," Sandman says.

"You don't have to go to the extreme of being a survivalist and moving to Montana. There's a middle ground."

He suggests buying such items as face masks. "You won't be able to get masks after the pandemic starts, but they're available now, and it wouldn't hurt to get a box of 50 or 100," Sandman says.

Think about what to do if doctors' offices are shuttered and hospitals overwhelmed. "If you have to treat a child at home, think, what do I need. It's not stupid to be thinking about it," he says.

"A big hunk of preparedness is emotional. When athletes prepare for the big game, they don't just swing bats. They imagine the game. If you want to be able to cope with moments of crisis, it helps to have thought about it."
 
H5N1 virus that has infected 134 people, killing 69
pan·dem·ic Audio pronunciation of "pandemic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pn-dmk)
adj.

1. Widespread; general.
2. Medicine. Epidemic over a wide geographic area and affecting a large proportion of the population: pandemic influenza.


n.

A pandemic disease.
Hardly a pandemic I am afraid. Just what the ruling elite want--for the sheeple to be shaking in their boots begging for someone to take care of them.

Greg
 
If a pandemic hit, the Washington DC metropolitan area is the last place I'd want to be...
 
"H5N1 is one mutation away from being transmissible person to person."

It is not enough that it is transmissible between humans. It must be transmissible by AREOSOL for it to do any real nasty stuff. Areosol transmissibility is like that of the normal flu or common cold- sneezing, handshakes, etc. spread it.

Keep in mind that there are already VERY nast virii that are transmissible human to human, but lack that mutation which would make it areosol transmissible: Ebola and HIV, just to name 2. HIV also mutates rapidly (is why creating a vaccine has been a real bugger), but it hasn't done that one.

Also, it isn't as though there is a list of mutations out there, and the virus gets to pick one each go-around, and it is only a matter of time until it gets the right (wrong) one. It is every bit as likely (if not more so) for mutations to weaken the virus, not strengthen it.

The media is having a field day with the bird flu because most people don't know anything about diseases, and they can always find scientists willing to trade worst case scenario stories for TV time.

Does anybody remember SARS? That one had this transmissibility, and we have forgotten about it. I am betting that H5N1 will be forgotten in time, especially by the media, who does not wish for the public to remember that they make their money on blowing things way out of proportion.
 
An engineer who lives on a farm in Loudoun County, Va., outside Washington, D.C., with his wife and two children, Stewart is stockpiling food, water, medicine and even guns to defend his family in the event of civil unrest.

Isn't it just plain old prudent to do that at all times anyway? All most of these folks are talking about is a few weeks supply of food and water plus the means to defend their family.

It doesn't take a "pandemic" to cause civil unrest.

"...even guns..."!!!:eek:

:p
 
I have no fear what-so-ever from the "bird flu". I think it'll end up having less of an impact than SARs. The only reason the government is making such a big deal out of it is because they screwed up Katrina so bad. They really, really don't want to drop the ball twice.
 
For your information- the avian flu has just very recently been acknowledged as a potential threat by the gov. Medical pro's and pandemic experts have been crying in the wilderness for quite a while. If ya'all are so convinced this is an idle threat, my gentle advice is to start some web research on the 1918 pandemic. The more you learn the ,more credence you will give the threat. Just type in 1918 flu pandemic and start rading the eyewitness accounts.
Oh, by the way, the 90 year old vet I just gave a ride to the gun show lost seven siblings to the flu. I am pretty sure he thinks it was real.
 
Well, WDG, I have a bad feeling that you and we are all in for a nasty surprise. Tokugawa is right.

The US didn't invent this threat, and the weak measures and talk they're undertaking now won't do squat. We need serums. The drug companies are woefully unprepared. That's where our government needs to kick somebody in the butt. It won't happen.

Weak health care preventive measures and lack of sophisticated medical infrastructure over in Asia will cause this pending mutation to spread world-wide.

It's just a matter of time, and I have no faith in my government helping me. I have some food and water, bullets, guns in the house.
 
Peter Sandman, a risk analyst and consultant to international businesses and governments, including the HHS, says that in any situation of perceived threat, there are those, such as Stewart, who go to extremes.

"They periodically turn out to be right, but it's a bell curve, with one edge doing absolutely nothing and saying, 'Bird flu? What's bird flu?' " Sandman says. "That's a rather bigger edge" than the other extreme.

Huh? If one edge of a bell curve is higher than the other edge, then it's not a bell curve. And this guy covers risk analysis?

My plan is rather simple. Get my backpack, keep it full of gear, and go backpacking every now and then so I can get used to the bugout bag. I live in the middle of Maryland suburbia, so my first reaction in the event of a disaster is to GET OUT of here.
 
Yep, Tokugawa is right. Isn't that what helped bring about an end to WWI? The boys were too sick to fight. But then we've got nearly 100 years of medical advances and gee-whiz anti-viral medicines (though not enough).

This is a threat, but tough to figure out what level. In risk management they talk about the two considerations when evaluating a threat: potential damage and likelihood of occurance. In this case the potential damage is way up there, but the chance of it happening? Possibly (probably I'd say) slim.

Viral diseases, whether by the work of G-d, luck, evolution, or the sense of humor of the universe, seem to end up less dangerous as they become more "mobile". Everyone gets colds, almost no one dies from it. Ebola makes you very dead very fast. Very few people have had it. The evolutionary thing is, I guess, if you are too deadly and too contagious you kill your hosts too fast to have a chance to survive.

Preparedness is always good in my book. But prevention is a good one too. Stay healthy. Don't smoke. Wash your hands. Don't wipe your eyes during flu season!!! That is a primary entry point for viral infections. Think about it -- you don't go to a public restroom and then stick your fingers in your mouth (unless you are very strange), but wiping the eyes is a bad habit almost everyone does.

I think, though, that the worst thing about this threat is that if it comes to be, other than those with access to the right meds, it'll come down to luck if you survive or not. Remember, if this thing goes big time ugly, you'll probably be exposed to the virus well before hordes of people drop dead from it. By then it'll be too late to hide in your bunker.
 
Overblown?

I can't help but feel there is a certain amount of hyperbole here. First, there are no documented cases of human to human transmission. Second, the world is a much smaller place with global communications and more sophisticated and expanded monitoring of previously isolated areas. Third, this whole "one mutation" away is being grossly overplayed. EVERY flu virus is virtually one mutation away from being a pandemic causing flu. The flu can and does mutate even within a single host - for instance, it can enter a host's body being susceptible to amantadine and then mutate to being resistant. The flu virus has a high rate of mutation through antigenic shift and drift.

As easily as it can mutate to be transmissible between humans that same mutation could result in the virus being much less lethal as well. I'm not saying it isn't a concern, it is, but there are many, many people and institutions that stand to gain literally millions and billions of dollars by hyping this.

As far as we know, the 'bird flu' has been around for decades and was just recently identified. It may be that hundreds of undiagnosed deaths have been occurring for years until it was identified and now once remote Asian villages are being monitored for this. Every year the flu traditionally begins in Asian fowl and other farm animals but the news reports make this look like an isolated event.

Again, this doesn't mean we bury our heads in the sand - if an epidemic did hit, one should have a plan of action, but there's no reason to begin panicking yet - although there are many that seem hell-bent on inducing much, much more concern than may be currently warranted. It sure makes for a lot of good new stories, headlines, shows, and it sure as heck generates quite a bit of money!

I remember when we were all going to die of the swine flu too. And global cooling, and global warming, and a population explosion, and nuclear war, and pollution, and acid rain, and, and, and....................................................
 
sure

Remember how SARS was gonna kill millions of people? Still waiting for THAT to happen...
 
lol old was about to hit the reply button with the same thing but you beat me to it :eek:

Being prepared is always good I don't trust the goverment to send me my own personal chopper if the SHTF and I can't get to the cornor store for a can of soup.
 
Hey - whatever it takes to get guns in the hands of more decent citizens.

Hopefully people notice every time the media reports that gun sales are on the rise.
 
The 1918 flu was serious stuff- try walking through an old graveyard; you will see whole families lying under markers that list dates of death in 1918.

But I am not convinced that we are seeing this again. H5N1 is NOT the 1918 flu.

I'll say this again: every single pandemic theory is created by stacking "ifs"- IF it is transmitted human to human, IF it is so transmitted by areosol, and IF it doesn't significantly weaken in the mutations.

Give me those 3 ifs, and I can develop a pandemic theory with a MUCH more frightening disease. Ebola, anybody?
 
The main problem we have in envisioning a situation, is our inability to concieve as a reality, anything that has not happened to us personally.
This is exacerbated by our having had about 60 years of unparallelled health, wealth and peace. Literally, most americans cannot conceive of "bad times", they have no point of reference. (just ask someone what they are going to do when gas hits $25 a gallon.)

I am not saying the flu pandemic is going to happen tomorrow, it will happen someday. How widespread and how lethal? Who knows?
The potential for a very serious event is there.
Of course, if it hits before the peak oil crisis we may not run out of gas so soon......
 
Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and Bird Flu.

In a densly populated area there have been only a relative handful of cases and when you look at those cases some of those don't hold water. The "test" is to check for antibodies. What if you have the antibodies because you were exposed and have built an immunity? Human to human transmission is not happening now, nor is it likely to. In 1991 the "experts" said AIDS would be aerobic any minute now. The more paraniod they make us, the more we rely no them to tell us what's good for us. Will there be a serious outbreak of some weird disease sometime somewhere? Sure, but it will happen because nobody saw it coming, not because it was seen from afar and people began washing hands more and taking care of their general health.
 
Peter Sandman, a risk analyst and consultant to international businesses and governments, including the HHS, says that in any situation of perceived threat, there are those, such as Stewart, who go to extremes.

"They periodically turn out to be right, but it's a bell curve, with one edge doing absolutely nothing and saying, 'Bird flu? What's bird flu?' " Sandman says. "That's a rather bigger edge" than the other extreme.

Well, we saw what happened to the edge that did absolutely nothing when Katrina hit, and it wasn't pretty. I'd rather be on the opposite edge.
 
The great-grandfather of the woman at the next desk here at work died in the 1918 flu pandemic; he was 30 years old. (I've seen the death certificate.)

There wasn't human-to-human transmission of the 1918 virus in 1915, either. But as soon as the bird virus gained that critical mutation, BOOM, worldwide pandemic and millions of deaths.

So of course there's no significant human-to-human transmission. Yet. As soon as there is, you are IN a pandemic, not talking about the possibility of one. Since the likelihood of that happening seems to be increasing (and there are very strong parallels to the 1918 flu, not to mention genetic similarities between the current avian flu virus and that one), the time to be making some sensible precautions would be now rather than during a pandemic, would it not?

The current likelihood of a flu pandemic striking us here is much higher than the likelihood of a category 5 hurricane striking us here, and we have certainly thought about the latter.

I'm not worried about marauders looking for food so much as I'm worried about having to go to the grocery store in the middle of a pandemic to buy food, and catching the thing. I've got an immune-deficient 6-year-old with a surgically reconstructed heart at home, and I doubt he'd make it if he caught it. And if a pandemic does hit and hospitals become filled with people dying of the flu, I will be avoiding hospitals and doctors' offices like the plague (literally).

It is possible, of course, that a flu pandemic could crash our economy and send us down the road that Argentina went down ten or fifteen years ago, but that's not my more immediate concern. Having some food, water, and basic medical/hygiene supplies on hand certainly wouldn't hurt, though.

In a densly populated area there have been only a relative handful of cases and when you look at those cases some of those don't hold water. The "test" is to check for antibodies. What if you have the antibodies because you were exposed and have built an immunity? Human to human transmission is not happening now, nor is it likely to. In 1991 the "experts" said AIDS would be aerobic any minute now. The more paraniod they make us, the more we rely no them to tell us what's good for us. Will there be a serious outbreak of some weird disease sometime somewhere? Sure, but it will happen because nobody saw it coming, not because it was seen from afar and people began washing hands more and taking care of their general health.
The thing is, NO bloodborne retroviruses like HIV are easily transmitted person to person, never mind via aerosols. The people alleging that HIV might be spread that way were scaremongers.

The problem with that comparison is that we are talking about INFLUENZA, which is indeed spread that way. Not to mention the fact that an avian influenza pandemic DID happen less than a century ago, and the runup to that one looks a lot like what we're looking at now. And unlike some diseases, our ability to deal with an influenza pandemic from a medical standpoint isn't all that much better now that it was in 1918.
 
It's time for a moratorium on SHTF threads. There are other places on the net where it's more appropriate to have these discussions.

Jeff
 
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