Somebody broke into this guy's gun safe.

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

The only alarm I have would be the intruders screams for help after my baby boys get a hold on him. Ill take a Rottie over ADT ANY day of the week and twice on Sunday! Most kind of like my little warning signs I have posted as well. "Beware of Dogs but FEAR the OWNER!" Seems to work

 

[Ignition Override]

Do these types of burglars normally do this just to keep the guns, sell them at a gun show, or fence in a different city?

The old Memphis home we had years ago had an old security system. The sliding patio door was not hard to open. The patio was enclosed by high brick walls (two gates and one locked door), by the way. About 19:00, early December, maybe 1998.

We were gone one hour, having been watched, and upon return it was the only dark house on the street (we did not go in). After MLGW finally showed up two hours later (we were at the neighbors), they found the main power cable had been yanked from the house, torn out.

The old security system apparently was useless, but then there were no guns.
They must have been there when we came back, as they only got a so-so video camera and a little jewelry (insured). Luckily, the first video tapes of my son were in a safety deposit box. Thieves grab bags, tapes and all.
People up the street lost all videos of kids' early years. Remember, burglars who have not been in the house go directly to the Master Bedroom, as people keep handguns and "the queen's" jewelry there: almost always.

The weird thing is that we had three cleaning ladies there, that day, but my wife twice stated that their cleaning company was very highly-rated and recommended. I remembered that one of them seemed a bit uptight or nervous when I said hello to them on the front steps, but might be just a coincidence.

 

[coloradokevin]

You are not going to stop the PRO. As for ALARMS???? I work LE and have seen someone go into an ALARMED house and leave with 30K in goods in under 90 seconds. Responding Police were in the drive in 30 seconds after dispatch and the perp was GONE!

If your response times are normally that good, you're doing a lot better than us! In the 'hood where I work we'd be lucky to get to half of our alarms within twenty minutes of the call, just due to the fact that we have other priority calls holding. Of course, that doesn't include the 2-10 minutes that the alarm company probably spends sorting the alarm out before they send it to our dispatchers in the first place.

I think a lot of folks believe that an alarm system will catch a burglar. I tell people to leave their alarm set for an audible alert, since their best bet is probably to simply scare the guy away. The overwhelming majority of our burglar alarm calls are false, and unless we have other information to support the belief that a burglar is actually in the house (homeowner calling, neighbor calling, etc), the call simply won't be given a high priority response (at least when compared with calls for: domestic violence, medical calls, car wrecks, shooting, stabbings, robberies, suspicious people, etc).

 

[scaatylobo]

ColoradoKevin

My old agency [ the city in which I now reside ] has a very good response time to alarms.

having gone to thousands of them,we are on scene within no more than 5 min. from the call being dispatched.

That is the only problem,alarm companys not calling us in fast enough.

I know the response time for my house [ well known to all on the 'job' ] is about 2 to 3 min.

With a cheap safe [ which I dont use ] it would be impossible to get any real 'tools'.

I also trust no one in the house,so that keeps the tools under cover at all times,and I am home and not visible 99% of the time

It pays to actually know and use that knowledge as to LEO response time if considering an alarm or dog.

 

[MtnGrouseHtr]

Very few safes are "safe" from one of these.

 

[AK103K]

Very few safes are "safe" from one of these.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

They make short work of pretty much anything.

 

[Russ Jackson]

Booby trap a decoy safe...Russ

 

[Yarddog]

Them Diamond blades are quick, I Dispise a thief ; )
Y/D

 

[DWC]

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[AK103K]

Our alarm system consists of two, very protective 125+ pound roving black "monitors" who sound BEFORE the break in. If it proceeds to a break in, they get fed.

 

[ol' scratch]

People put Pictures and list all their Guns on the Net, Face Book is a shopping list for the BG's. I don't show my Guns to anyone. I made cloth bags that I carry my Guns in so no one see's what I own and can tell how many. I shoot here, on this Property, out of sight, have three shooting areas. Just finished the newest one 215yds, I never shoot on weekends there are too many people driving around. I load and unload my Truck when people aren't Out and about. Where I used to live I planted bushes to block what I was doing. Show and Tell will cost you a lot of money. IF you trust Family members, your nuts.

Old guitar cases are great too when you don't want someone to know what you are carrying. I got the idea off of another forum. My range box is an old Kennedy tackle box. I cut some foam for the bottom. It is a great box and sturdy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Gun safes really only protect your guns from snatch and run burglars, family members, and the like. Good gun safes provide you with decent fire protection.

At a jewelry show in the 1980s that I attended, there was a demonstration given using a jewelry safe. It was one of those big, hardened steel safes that resists all sorts of tools. To show how vulnerable such safes were, they had two guys with sledge hammers beat on the safe - no fancy tools, just sledge hammers and a pry bar. They had a large hole in it in about 45 minutes.

The bottom line is that safes are just delay mechanisms. A truly good monster safe will be a significant expense and as a buddy of mine informed me, too heavy for the foundations of many homes.

My old agency [ the city in which I now reside ] has a very good response time to alarms.

having gone to thousands of them,we are on scene within no more than 5 min. from the call being dispatched.

That is the only problem,alarm companys not calling us in fast enough.

I know the response time for my house [ well known to all on the 'job' ] is about 2 to 3 min.

Very good response time to alarms? That is great. A lot of major cities boast when they can average officer response times in under 8 minutes for priority one calls in less than 6 minutes on average. Dallas PD was strutting pretty good when they got under the 9 minute mark. Burglar alarms don't rate being priority one, however. Nowadays, some cities like Dallas don't send out officers for burglar alarms unless the call is being made by somebody on scene because of the number of false alarms.

It is good to know that you have folks who will be at your house in 2-3 minutes because they know you, but the vast majority of the rest of us don't get such preferential treatment.

Booby trap a decoy safe...Russ

What do you mean, booby trap?

 

[answerguy]

Our alarm system consists of two, very protective 125+ pound roving black "monitors" who sound BEFORE the break in. If it proceeds to a break in, they get fed.

I have no doubt that a monitor lizard would be very protective.

 

[Blackbeard]

Would an open bowl of black powder in the floor of the safe have deterred the fellow who used the spark emitting saw?

I'm going to say no. The enemy needs to know about something in order to be deterred by it. Are you planning to leave a note?

 

[a1abdj]

I think a lot of you guys have fallen for the marketing of the gun safe manufacturers.

If they will get into a $500 gun safe, they will also get into a jeweler's safe, right? I mean if they come prepared, you're done with. So why spend money on a real safe when this little gun safe will be just as good?

This couldn't be further from the truth. If it was true, you would see gun safes in every bank, grocery store, and jewelry store.

Safes buy time, and there are a number of models and manufacturers that lie between the gun safe shown in that photo and a 12" walled vault. A $2,000 safe with a 1/2" plate door would have stopped that attack in its tracks.

However, I don't know why that safe was so easy to open anyway. There's a testimonial of a similar sheet steel safe right there on Cannon's website. How could this safe have been broken into so quickly by amateurs when it took two pros over 6 hours to do the same?:

Without the keypad lock, the couple no longer had a way of opening the safe so they contacted Cannon’s customer service line and requested assistance. Cannon sent a lock smith over to the couple’s house but according to the article, “after four hours and 27 drill bits the safe could not be opened.” So, Cannon sent another lock smith and finally after two more hours of drilling the safe was opened.

And what about a photo shown on their site? I can only copy it as a thumbnail, although you can see a larger image of it on their website. It has also appeared in their catalogs.

What you see is a sheet metal Cannon safe that is dented, scratched, and has a few holes drilled in it. Against the safe is a sledge hammer, pry bar, electric drill, small sledge hammer, large pinch bar, and a cutting torch.

How is it possible that this safe had a hole cut clean through it with a saw when Cannon shows that an oxy-acetylene torch will only make it through the paint?

This isn't a Cannon thing. Just about every gun safe manufacturer engages in the same behavior. Most gun safes are only tested against a small sledge hammer and a large screwdriver for a period of 5 minutes. If you're worried about any other sort of attack, you need to look at something a bit more substantial than sheet steel over gypsum board. Believe it or not, many of these heavier built safes sell in the same price range as some of their sheet steel counterparts.

 

[DWC]

Other that deadly force or a tasser (sometimes), the only thing that can immediately stop a burglar, thief, assailant, etc. is the individual themselves.

The psychological impact of an active, sirens blasting alarm system on a perp. can not be overstated. There are certainly exceptions to every rule including this one but they are few and far between.

Does someone else hear the sirens? How long will it really take the police to get here? Will a neighbor be watching when we come out and get our car's license # or shoot us?

I suggest that anyone who keeps guns in the home to defend the occupants and does not have an alarm system with battery and cellular backup; and serious interior and exterior sirens to defend the occupants and the guns themselves should objectively reconsider their home defense priorities and plan.

Semper Fi,
DWC

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

As I said earlier DWC, 250+ pounds of muscle, fur, and TEETH has a tendency to detour most any thief with any common sense as all. And neither of my knuckleheads will accept food or anything else without me present from anyone. They are highly trained and very protective of their territory. Not to mention GREAT with the kids! I'd have to admit, if it was kids breaking in to my home, the damn knuckleheads would more than likely help them carry crap out!

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I'm not sure why this turned from a broken into safe to nonsense about booby-traps and people bragging about their pets, but it's gone on long enough.