Someone I knew outed my gun at a coffee house.

[meef]

I think everybody should pitch in and award a prize to the suggested response here that contains the wittiest retort to the original situation.

 

[brentfoto]

The thread title is a bit misleading.

I thought that someone saw your piece concealed in the shop.

And the OP never should have revealed that he carries to someone in his 'Yoga' class that he did not consider to be a friend.

And then, another poster said that's why carrying openly is better. I don't see that at all. If you carry openly, you might as well pin a sign on yourself: 'Shoot me' or 'Grab my gun', or 'I dare you to try to disarm me'. Open carry is disgusting and boorish, unless you're a cop. It also reveals that we have failed as a society. Concealed is much more classy and substantially less intimidating. I'd rather be a hypocrite and carry concealed than carry openly. I also believe that you're more likely to survive a deadly encounter with concealed carry.

 

[brentfoto]

buck00 Honestly, you are responsible for who you decide to tell about your CCW or interest in guns. This is why I generally do not tell anyone at work about my hobby or CCW license- its a need to know basis.

If the wrong people find out- you can have bad results.

Sounds like this guy was a real jerk and flaming liberal. I would have opted for a counter-question to throw him off guard:

(loudly) "No I'm not Ted, hey by the way are you still on the megan's law list??"
Today 08:10 AM

Slanderous per se. He'd have a case against you.

 

[hankdatank1362]

OK, problem #1: Yoga class? YOGA? What, was the ballet class full?

I used to think that way. Then I bought a Yoga DVD called "Iron Yoga." It emphasized the use of free weights during the yoga routine.

It suggested that beginners start off with light weights, like 2lb wrist weights or soda cans. I figured, I'm young and I'm a pretty darn strong fella, I oughtta be able to up the ante a little.

I tried with 5lb dumbbells. 5 pounds. That's it.

I couldn't make it to the end of the one hour DVD. I hurt for about a week after...bad. I hurt in places I didn't even know existed.

Not all Yoga is made for yuppies and svelte female twenty-somethings.

 

[Heartless_Conservative]

And then, another poster said that's why carrying openly is better. I don't see that at all. If you carry openly, you might as well pin a sign on yourself: 'Shoot me' or 'Grab my gun', or 'I dare you to try to disarm me'. Open carry is disgusting and boorish, unless you're a cop. It also reveals that we have failed as a society. Concealed is much more classy and substantially less intimidating. I'd rather be a hypocrite and carry concealed than carry openly. I also believe that you're more likely to survive a deadly encounter with concealed carry.

I like how so many CC'ers treat people that decode to carry openly the same way leftists treat all gun owners...

 

[Sato Ord]

I couldn't make it to the end of the one hour DVD. I hurt for about a week after...bad. I hurt in places I didn't even know existed.

Not all Yoga is made for yuppies and svelte female twenty-somethings.

One of the strongest, and healthiest, men I know practices yoga, as well as chi-gong, and kung-fu. He's about five foot four, soft spoken, always courteous. He is nearly fifty, looks twenty, and has a gorgeous wife and two of the most beautiful and well behaved children I've ever met.

All of that being said, I wouldn't mess with the guy unless my life really depended on it. He's one of those guys who really can disarm a gun totin' bad guy with his bare hands. For him, the twenty-seven foot rule is real.

Interesting thing is, he's also not a wack-job liberal, either.

OK, problem #1: Yoga class? YOGA? What, was the ballet class full?

What type of health and physical training class someone chooses is a personal decision based on many things, including what is offered that you can afford in your area. Not everyone is gung-ho and looking for a class in street lethal, ultimate championship fighting. Some people simply want a good physical regimen that gets them in shape and has good cardiovascular benefits, as well as strength training. Yoga fits that bill nicely, and it is usually a good class that couples enjoy doing together. Some of us are with our wives because we choose to be with them, not just married to them.

Oh yeah, ballet is also an incredible work out for those with the stamina to do it. Those male dancers regularly lift and hold 100 lb women above their heads with one hand, can you do that?

PS Yes this is all relevant to this forum because physical training is relevant to carrying a gun. Any good training routine, whether it is yoga, kung-fu, aikido, karate, ju-jitsu, judo, boxing, or whatever, hones reflexes and increase awareness among other benefits. Those are two things that are highly relevant to carrying a firearm.

 

[Sage of Seattle]

And the OP never should have revealed that he carries to someone in his 'Yoga' class that he did not consider to be a friend.

And then, another poster said that's why carrying openly is better. I don't see that at all. If you carry openly, you might as well pin a sign on yourself: 'Shoot me' or 'Grab my gun', or 'I dare you to try to disarm me'. Open carry is disgusting and boorish, unless you're a cop. It also reveals that we have failed as a society. Concealed is much more classy and substantially less intimidating. I'd rather be a hypocrite and carry concealed than carry openly. I also believe that you're more likely to survive a deadly encounter with concealed carry.

Wow. That's one of the most obnoxious things I've read in a while.

Welcome to my ignore file.

 

[brentfoto]

Obnoxious in what manner, Dear Sage?

 

[siglite]

I like how so many CC'ers treat people that decode to carry openly the same way leftists treat all gun owners...

Noticed that, did ya? I find it ironic too. Exact same arguments, too. "A woman who carries a gun will just get it taken away and used on her."

 

[beretta92d]

this is why i prefer OC,that way you can't be outted..

Uh, I grind my own beans and press my own coffee. It's better that way.

same here,i love my french press coffee.

 

[MASTEROFMALICE]

My stock New Jersey answer to people like this?

"Are you still carrying your gun?"

"Go f*** yourself."

 

[MinnMooney]

I'm seconding jimbob........ you don't threaten someone just because they are stupid and socially inept. He made a really bad comment either out of ineptitude or on purpose but the rule is the same - NO THREATS, period.


P.S. I really liked the pink underwear come-back!

 

[meef]

Okay, I've gotten warmed up and really feel in the spirit of things now, so I want to offer the best advice I can muster.


The original off-putting statement made by the antagonist in this thread was:

"Hi, (My name) are you still carrying your gun"

Whoa! What a freaking slap! Where to start on this boor?


I suggest such gems as:

"I know you are, but what am I?"


or:

"Your grandmother wears combat boots!"


or (one of my favorites):

"Huh-uh, am not!"


Of course, one could always employ the really big guns (so to speak) and choose what I call the American Idol Triple Threat Nuclear Option! reply. It goes like this:

First a Randy Jackson jab, "Yo dawg, check it out dawg. What you said was just aight for me, you know. I mean, it didn't blow me away dawg. It was just aight, you know?"

Followed quickly by a Paula Abdul (delivered from left of center of cleavage and from a swaying, standing stance) uppercut, "You know, what I really love about you is your big heart and genuineness and anything else that gets past the drugs in my system. You took that obnoxious question to me and you truly made it yours. Just keep on being you because that's what makes you so special!"

And lastly the Simon Cowell coup de grace roundhouse punch spoken in a condescendingly grating British accent, "Well you know, if I'm being honest, that was absolutely the worst thing anybody has said to me since I've been sitting at this coffee house table. I'd pack my bags and prepare to leave, if I were you."


There you go. If you can't git'er done with one of these choices, you should stay out of the coffee houses. Those places can get a bit rough, you know.

 

[Travis McGee]

I love that, "ARE YOU STILL WEARING PINK LADIES' UNDERWEAR?"

 

[sidheshooter]

While some of this is pretty darn funny, this thread has given me pause for thought in several ways.

First off, that guy's comment was way passive-aggressive in the way that only really sourpuss liberals seem to be able to achieve. Totally uncalled for, both because it was overtly hostile, and also because it was secondarily irresponsible.

I think the answer was good, coming completely off-the-cuff as it was.

The issue of people finding out things is this: sometimes they just find out. Literally the other day, my osteopath–a wise, skilled and caring necessity due to a recent smash job by some outstanding-warrant drunk drivers–asked about some curious discoloration/redness/marking on the right side of my midsection. I really didn't feel like explaining that it came from an Emerson Raven, even though that kydron handle and thumb-disc opener leaves pretty obvious groove lines on a body when it's tucked in a waist band!

I mean, you just can't think of everything-I left the raven in the laptop tote on the way in, but I wasn't thinking about the impression in my love handles...

As well, I think that it is our right and perrogative to do a bit of debating when the subject of the 2nd comes up; and it's going to be darn hard to predict exactly when some idiot just won't be able to let it go. Option A: don't debate (maybe valid) Option B: realize that some folks aren't going to like being on the losing side of facts and figures, and some of them are going to be pissy about it. Given that I travel in work circles that can put me on both sides of the issue politically, I'm going to be thinking about how I'd react to an attack like this...

I like the above idea of being an extremely pleasant and likeable regular in the only coffeeshop in town, knowing that someday, the subject may come up and months of goodwill (and business) just might cause some to rethink from anti to, at the least, grudgingly tolerant as a result.

Of course, I also like the idea of opening a "Carry Cafe" where all drinks do indeed come with "extra shots", and the baristas pack more than espresso pulls...

Back in my college days, I was friends with a guy that owned a chic restaurant; sort of one of those trendy, be seen, quasi-vegetarian artsy places. All the profs hung out there; they had cool music on weekends and faculty art on the walls. The irony is that it just had to be the most packin' place in town: all the chefs, half the waitstaff, and the owner belonged to the practical pistol club!

 

[TexKettering]

Am I the only one who's not ashamed/afraid of being a gun owner?

I tell my friends that I carry... I try to put a nice face to gun owners. Not reclusive or paranoid freaks (not saying you are)...

 

[loneviking]

No Tex, you're not the only one as I'm not ashamed of being a gun owner and carrying a gun. I do believe that there are times when CC is a good idea, such as a very crowded grocery store with narrow isles. Outdoors, or running errands around town, I'll carry OC---let the sheeple bleat.

And Brentfoto, I'll second the opinion to add you to an 'ignore' list. Your comments are right up there with all the gun haters on the liberal left.

 

[brentfoto]

I'll be happy to remove my subscription to this thread and most of the moronic comments and observations on it. What you guys fail to realize is that the vast majority of people in this country are offended by open carry. You'll never learn, will ya... good luck and good riddance.

 

[JokersWild]

LaVere said:
My wife and I were sitting a small coffee house just enjoying a soft drink when a man I knew from Yoga class came in and outed me. We are not friends and had talked about guns last year after a class. Well today he walks up to me and my wife and in a loud and clear voice asked "Hi, (My name) are you still carrying your gun" I didn't want to appear surprised or make a commotion. I just wanted him to shut up and go away. He did neither. So I told him sternly looking into his eyes. "We don't talk about that in public here or any where"

Not a bad way of handling it but levity usually is the best way to disarm an idiot and belay fears around. Since you and he are associated with yoga class the best response would have been with a laugh and a wry smile, "Gosh (his name), I'm kind of embarrassed since I know we have to wear pretty tight clothing in yoga to make you think I'm packing. I assure you that it really wasn't a .357 magnum in my pants that day."

I can't help but sit here chuckling imagining the patrons and the owners of the left wing coffee house looking something akin to beatniks. As far as spending your money there I don't see any problem with it. Truly, how much money do we spend each day at business that sell nothing but Chinese goods or goods made in Pakistan? How about the fuel we use on a daily basis who's profits go to countries that may support terrorist efforts across the world? How about the food we eat that's grown in other countries that also haven't the greatest care for us here in the U.S.?

 

[Cosmoline]

We are not friends and had talked about guns last year after a class.

Why did you tell him you were carrying to begin with? I'm not trying to be too critical here, I've made the same mistake myself and always regret it. It's like the first rule for disappearing--you don't tell anyone where you're going. Simple, but sometimes hard to follow in this social world of ours. Just treat it as a secret.

As far as your response, it seemed a little harsh to me but it got the point across. The fault is, however, yours for ever telling the person. Don't get too worried about it, just file it away as a useful experience and remember to concealed means concealed in every respect. Only those who must know should know. Cops, SO's, etc.

Why are you discussing such things with people in a ... yoga class?

What's wrong with yoga? It's a fantastic workout. Way more effective than all that gym class impact stretching most of us grew up with.

Obnoxious in what manner, Dear Sage?

Because you personally insulted everyone here who open carries for no apparent reason.

If you carry openly, you might as well pin a sign on yourself: 'Shoot me' or 'Grab my gun', or 'I dare you to try to disarm me'.

?? Where are you getting this from?

 

[Mainsail]

What you guys fail to realize is that the vast majority of people in this country are offended by open carry.

I carry my 1911 openly every day, in the city, all over town, and I have never even once seen or heard of anyone being offended. There’s a failure to realize something alright, but it’s your failure.

 

[McCall911]

"Hey, man. Are you still carrying?"
"No, I sold my gun to your boyfriend."




About carrying, I'm a firm believer in the DADT strategy (Don't Ask, Don't Tell.)

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Obnoxious in what manner, Dear Sage?

Because expressing your opinion on why you don't believe in OC'ing is one thing(I don't like it either), but insulting those that do is an entirely different story.

 

[Dahwg]

Another advantage of carrying openly: I never have to fear someone will "out" me.

Took the words out of my mouth!

 

[loneviking]

The big problem that I see with CC is that if anyone is pulling a gun, for any reason, they are doing it from the same area that the bad guys do. How do I (or a cop) know that you're a good guy when you're packing heat just like the bad guys?

When you OC, everybody knows who is carrying and where the gun is. There are no surprises and for this reason, for much of American history, concealed carry was illegal!