Something Scared the Deer Away

I’ve seen plenty of Mt Lions, I used to guide for them in NM.

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Once you learn what to look for and how to spot cat sign most would be shocked how many cats are living in close proximity to people without the slightest problem. There’s a big male and an occasional female that have killed three deer that I’ve found within several hundred yards of my back door here in Colorado. I’ve never seen the cats themselves only their tracks and their calling card deer kills. A Lion killed deer will almost always have a fractured neck at the cervical level.

Lions are a natural predator that has an important role in the eco system. They were here long before man entered the scene. If you want to do your part for conservation buy a tag and try to hunt a lion. You’re going to find out it’s not easy. The only effective way to hunt lions is with well trained hounds. And if you ever do that you’ll find out that everything you ever thought about hound hunting is most likely wrong too.
Hunting lions with hounds can be extremely physically demanding and the time money and knowledge it takes to train and maintain lion hounds is pretty staggering. I love Mt Lions and hunting them, they are truly one of the most misunderstood wild animals in North America.

Here are some Mt Lion facts.
1. They are ground feeders, they don’t drag their kills into trees like Asian and African leopards do.

2. They don’t come in black, there’s never been a documented black Mt Lion in the history of man kind. (The one in Costa Rica wasn’t black either)

3. They avoid people for the most part. Unlike some Asian and African big cats that actively hunt humans. While the occasional human has been attacked by a Mt Lion they are not man eaters.

4. People tend to absolutely freak out at the mention of or the mere sighting of a Mt Lion. Hunting them and learning about them from old time highly experienced Lion men taught me to deeply respect them as intelligent hunters and crafty prey. But I don’t fear them or sensationalize them. They are beautiful, intelligent, capable, solitary and effective predators.
 
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We hunt two farms in Greene New York and both of the land owners have seen a cougar multiple times.
The state DEC denies there are cougars in New York .
I live in Ulster County, and I've seen one. It was crossing the road adjacent to the Mohonk Preserve. (That's an 8,000 acre nature preserve with plenty of deer for them to eat.) My girlfriend also saw one -- her place was adjacent to the same preserve, and she saw it in the field across from her house -- possibly the same one, since it was about a mile as the crow flies from where I saw mine.

I know the difference between a coyote and a wolf, and I know the difference between a bobcat and a cougar. This was a cougar.
 
Up where we go shooting the Washington game department says there are no wolves. People have got wolves on trail camera and contacted the state game department with their evidence.
They tell them they are either coyotes or people's pets running loose.
So it would seem they are fair game.
 
Up where we go shooting the Washington game department says there are no wolves. People have got wolves on trail camera and contacted the state game department with their evidence.
They tell them they are either coyotes or people's pets running loose.
So it would seem they are fair game.
Do they say there are “no wolves” or no resident population of wolves? I had a game warden explain the difference to me a couple of years ago.

No resident population does not mean that you won’t have a transient population of said species. Like the Jaguar in NM. They pass through southern NM and AZ and have been photographed and documented. But there is no resident population of Jaguars in NM or AZ.
 
There are other wolf packs that they denied are there. The wolf pack over in the Sedro-Wolley area has been there for over a decade before they acknowledged it.



This game department is appointed by Seattle tree huggers. I'll leave at that.
 
Out here in Western Washington we are over run with cougars. When a cougar moves in to an area deer get thined out pretty fast.
When you have a mom cougar with two or three kittens the deer disappear much fasters.
A guy about twenty miles from our place just shot a hundred &fifty pound cougar.
They average one deer a week per cat.



   

Not sure where you live but I think I know the general area. I used to hunt grouse around Whitehorse Mt. I bumped into a guy trapping cougar up there once. He said there wasn't a shortage of cougars around there. WDFW also agrees with that. DNR has made most of the logging roads there impassable by taking out old culverts for salmon passage. The roads have grown over with tag alder and nobody hunts in there anymore. More room and cover for cougars. Pretty scary hunting in there the last few years I was up there. I never saw one but I'm sure they saw me. ;)
 
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There are other wolf packs that they denied are there. The wolf pack over in the Sedro-Wolley area has been there for over a decade before they acknowledged it.



This game department is appointed by Seattle tree huggers. I'll leave at that.
I can promise you that those wolves are spreading out. They said the same thing here in Colorado, until one got hit and killed on 1-70 about a couple of hundred miles south of where the wolves were acknowledged to reside up in Wyoming. Wolves are some traveling suns a guns!
 
There are atleast six different cougars within five miles of Whitehorse Mountain.



Here is a big tom a friend got on his trail cam right across Rt 530 from Whitehorse Mountain.

Like Coal Train wrote they dig deep ditches, pile up huge tree stumps, put up gates and do not maintain the forest service roads you hunters do not gain access to a high percentage State forest, DNR Land and US Forest Land.

The appointed game department leaders are all Seattle Tree Huggers that are totally clueless on how nature really works.

 

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They say there are no wolves in this area and and many other areas.



So that should make these hundred pound

plus coyotes fair game.

As of February of last year, Wolves are still protected by Federal law, and in Washington state, by state law. So, IMHO, I wouldn't risk a hefty fine and my hunting privileges just to shoot one, unless I was being attacked. While I don't agree with the federally endangered designation, I also don't condone/encourage poaching. It certainly isn't "The High Road".


Wolves are some traveling suns a guns!

While it is still very controversial here in Wisconsin, and scoffed by those folks that have a need for conspiracy theories, the current population of wolves in the state(estimated to be around 1,000) have all been born here, or migrated here from the U.P. of Michigan or Minnesota, after once being eradicated back in the 50s-60s. One of the biggest boons to them and their existence is the dramatic increase in the deer population in the state. The lack of access to private land here, means that population controls set for deer by the DNR have little to no impact to the problem. While many unsuccessful deer hunters want to place the blame for their "tag soup" on the resident wolves, the number of constant deer/car crashes, speaks the truth.
 
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