Sometimes I hate the free market: buying frenzy is ON!

[RDCL]

FWIW....I was at my local Wal Mart last night. The ammo cabinet was fully stocked, in fact it was stocked fuller than I've ever seen it......45 acp...380...44 mag...38 spcl....357.....9mm.....etc. Everything. Muliple brands of each caliber even.

.....and it is nearly a week after.


(and NO....I did not grab a bunch of it.....just a single box)


Russ

 

[gerrys]

1. I didn't say I was a proponent of such a ban, just that it would not bother me; and having given it more thought, it stilli wouldn't.
2. Didn't know that I was 'geeking out over magazines that have a capacity that you arbitrarily believe to be excessive' - but personally find the 33 with a Glock 19 CCW is not the way I'd go. Once again, I'm not suggesting that passing such a law is my main issue in life, just that it would not bother me and that working in opposition to it is not likely to be my main issue in life either.
3. I DO think, and herein may be the source of my feeling the need to register and post on this forum, which I have never done before, that we (may I say we?) can just get too far out there - I don't need to hear the arguments for civilian ownership of nuclear weapons, and I don't need to hear snark like from Geno, one post below, who decided that he can discern my politics and my training from a very moderate question

 

[Justin]

Awesome. I love how you fundamentally failed to address any of the points raised in my previous post.

 

[gerrys]

You regulate the same way anything else deemed dangerous is regulated, from Chinese toys made with potentially toxic materials to civilian nuclear weapons - not allowed to be manufactured in US, not allowed to be imported, not allowed to be sold.
You don't need to prove the potential danger either.

 

[Justin]

That makes no sense.

1.) Comparing a "high capacity" magazine to a nuclear weapon is ridiculous on it's face, not only for the scale of destruction either is potentially capable of inflicting, but also because nuclear weapons are extremely hard to manufacture, move, or store. They're also much easier to trace. In fact, if you don't want to look silly, I would strongly recommend against trying to draw any sort of comparison whatsoever between a magazine with a capacity that you believe to be evil, and weapons of mass destruction.

2.) If they are completely prohibited from being manufactured or imported, do you believe that police officers and the military should have their magazine capacities limited as well?

3.) So, if, in your ideal world, someone is caught with one of these magazines because they have "potential danger" (whatever that means), you are completely ok with charging the possessor with a felony and throwing him in prison? Even though s/he has harmed no one?

 

[MisterMike]

There is a bit of a feeding frenzy going on amongst antis at the moment, but there is little chance of any federal gun control legislation at the moment. I think that the demand will drop again pretty soon.

 

[phoglund]

I guess I should be pleased I already have 6 of the 30+ round Glock magazines. What for? Well...because I have a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that takes the silly things and I like the idea of 30 rounds in my carbines...just like the 30 round ones in my ARs! They do also go into my Glock 17 as well of course but they are a bit ungainly in that gun. I also have 6-17 round magazines.

If I didn't already have them I certainly wouldn't buy them because of the recent incident. Remember folks, buy low, sell high! (No, mine aren't for sale)

Paul

 

[TexasBill]

Actually, the attack on Rep. Giffords has prompted many utterly stupid legislative proposals. As Jon Stewart pointed out on the Daily Show, for example, Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, wants to make it illegal to bring a gun within 1000 feet of a government official (does that include "officials" like city sanitation workers who come to your place of residence?). NYC mayor and anti-gun zealot Michael Bloomberg supports the King legislation and plans to spend bucks promoting it. The downside is King is chairman of one of the subcommittees that review such bills.

What's so crazy is that everyone seems to have forgotten Rep. Giffords is a gun owner and a guns rights supporter. The poor woman is in a medically induced coma much of the time as her body tries to heal the damage and she can't speak for herself. Yet these slimeballs are all co-opting her to promote positions she never embraced.

I don't know what will happen as she recovers; the Bradys were conservative Republicans before Jim got shot. But everyone should give her a chance to speak her own mind.

Fortunately, the more idiotic legislative proposals will likely drive out the less idiotic ones (comparatively speaking) and a generally pro-gun House will let them all enjoy a merciful (and quiet) death in Committee.

Incidentally, one of the local proposals calls for the NYPD to boycott Glocks. Curiously, Bloomberg is opposed to that - all of NYPD's handgun vendors, Glock, SIG and S&W offer what are termed high-capacity magazines and the city would have to boycott them all (Model 10s, guys?) which would leave the city's cops at a firepower disadvantage. Nobody mentioned it would cost a fortune New York City doesn't have to replace all of Glocks in use by NYPD.

As you can see, not all the insanity is at Cheaper Than Dirt.

 

[Gouranga]

To the OP, I would like to announce I have officially joined the buying frenzy with my purchase of an extra man killing, homicidal, 19 round magazine for my R-25.

yeah 4 is great for hunting deer but I'd rather make the most of my time target shooting and have 19+1 at my disposal.

 

[mcdonl]

yeah 4 is great for hunting deer but I'd rather make the most of my time target shooting and have 19+1 at my disposal.

In MY perfect world.... *I* would have all of the ammo I bring to the range with me loaded in magazines. Loading magazines is best done at home IMO....

 

[Erik M]

Im glad I bought my Glock 19C before Christmas. I haven't looked to see if prices have jumped but I assume they will at the box stores and online outlets. I did pass on a $20 +2 mag extension at my local shop, im not sure when/if they raised the prices on them but it seemed a bit steep IMO.

edit: appears that they are going for $578 now, I payed $475 out the door first week of December.

 

[CZguy]

The way I see it. I don't have any use for a 33 round magazine for my Glock. But I have absolutely no problem with anyone else buying what ever size magazine that they feel is appropriate for them. It's a personal choice.

As an aside. I don't like to use the term "Hi Cap Magazines" to me they are standard magazines, designed that way by the manufacturer. By definition, anything less is "substandard".

 

[onebigelf]

The King legislation has a number of problems.

Violates not only the 2nd amendment, but also the 4th by creating a "special" class of citizens for whom special protections apply (our rulers) and a "sub-class" (everyone else).

Also, sound off if you can recognize all 100 US senators on sight. How about all 435 members of the US House? What about every federal judge? Every Cabinet member?
Can you recognize them all at 1000 feet? Can you sense their presence if they are within 1000ft but not in line of sight? The bill doesn't specify. How do you feel about being a convicted felon and losing your right to own a firearm or vote if you are caught carrying within 1000 feet of a judge you didn't see or didn't recognize? Knowing that this could happen, how constrained would you feel about carrying at all for fear of getting nailed for carrying in the presence of a member of our ruling class?

John

 

[mcdonl]

As an aside. I don't like to use the term "Hi Cap Magazines" to me they are standard magazines, designed that way by the manufacturer. By definition, anything less is "substandard".

Just curious... when differentiating between a 1911 .45ACP magazine and a Glock magazine how would you catergorize them? Standard and Sub-Standard?

 

[joeq]

I went to my local Cabelas this weekend. Everything looked to be pretty well stocked. Honestly it wasn't even very busy. They had plenty of mags, including the Glock 33 rounders. It definitely didn't look like any buying frenzy had occured yet. This is at the Buda Texas Cabelas.

 

[whitecoyote]

Threads such as this also help fuel the fire.

 

[speedway]

My local shop has a pile of them for $36 each and they are factory Glock.

 

[Taillebois]

As noted the buying frenzy is on because of the same old fears. Also the suppliers are quite happy to go along with the whole situation as obviously it benefits some of them quite well. And that's even without the price inflation inherent to a panic buying situation.

Politically unlikely any serious regulations will be passed. The only enhanced likelyhood of that would be if the economy continues to seriously sink and our leadership nee' betters genuinely feel their status is at risk. The 1934 Firearms act was in part prompted by the prohibition era/early depression days gang violence but it also was a response to a greatly disaffected population (the Bonus Army really scared the elites although the BA had assembled peacefully). Basically one of the 1934 acts intents was to keep the auto-weapons in governmental hands or the hands of the privilaged.

But mght take a deep breath here, most people got through the last depression with very basic weapons (for food and protection) and due to the enforced frugality of the era used cartridges with somewhat less prolific zeal than we use them today.

And 33 round glock mags, well we have a right to these which should not be infringed but not having such around (because one cannot find one to buy) doesn't really compromise the use of a glock all that much. Much the same as a revolver is still quite useful even if there isn't a speedloader about...

Might also keep in mind Onada had something like 300-400 cartridges and some Arisaka rifles for his 30 some year long sojourn in the Phillipine jungles...and he was fighting an actual war...

So its quite possible we all just might get through a temporary market shortage and a few posturing politicos taking undue advantage of a terrible tragedy. These congresspeople will find out quite quickly that most of their constituants are more worried about foreclosure, being out of work, or another mass spontaneous and involuntary donation to JP Morgan & Co. than how many bullets the weapon they had to pawn last week could have held...

 

[CZguy]

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As an aside. I don't like to use the term "Hi Cap Magazines" to me they are standard magazines, designed that way by the manufacturer. By definition, anything less is "substandard".

Just curious... when differentiating between a 1911 .45ACP magazine and a Glock magazine how would you categorize them? Standard and Sub-Standard?

I would consider both standard. Let me try and explain my thinking. The 1911 was designed to have a magazine capacity of 7 rounds. (modern mags now hold 8, so I won't quibble.) In my Glock 32C the magazine holds 12 rounds of .357 Sig. So to me both of these fine firearms are equipped with standard capacity magazines. So we have two pistols that hold eight and twelve rounds respectively. Now for the sake of argument, A new law was just enacted that said "ALL PISTOL MAGAZINES MUST BE DOWNLOADED BY TWO ROUNDS". The new 1911 five rounder is substandard, and the new Glock 32C with a 10 round mags is substandard as well. Now let me address a big issue----33 round aftermarket Glock magazines. I have absolutely no need for one, they throw the weight and balance off, and can waste ammo. The point here is, just because of the fact that I don't own one, or see a need for one, means nothing. It's up to the individual to decide his needs.

 

[elcaminoariba]

The free market isn't so bad now because Midway just dropped their price on those evil Glock 33 rd mags.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=116453

You won't get em for a month and a half, but hey, dropping their price was cool. It seems to be a direct response to "cheap"er than dirt raising theirs. I like how Midway tells you when it will be back in stock.

By the way, does anyone have any worn out 33rd mags we could mail to McCarthy?

 

[HGUNHNTR]

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As an aside. I don't like to use the term "Hi Cap Magazines" to me they are standard magazines, designed that way by the manufacturer. By definition, anything less is "substandard".

Just curious... when differentiating between a 1911 .45ACP magazine and a Glock magazine how would you categorize them? Standard and Sub-Standard?

I would consider both standard.

I totally agree CZ guy. These are the capacities for which the firearm was designed. A 350 v8 in a corvette or a 2 liter 4 cylinder in a Ford fiesta are nothing out of the ordinary and shouldn't be treated as such.

The term high capacity magazine is a marketing tool that anti's like to use to influence voters. This term is not unlike "streetsweeper", "assault weapon", "Saturday night Special", and "Gun Control". It is unfortunate that many gun owners repeat thee terms in conversation.....I guess it makes them feel more manly.