Sotomayor and the second amendment

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Well, it looks like Sotomayor's going to be confirmed. Did anyone who watched the hearing hear about what she thinks of the second amendment?

What concerns me here is what was written in, I believe, the Maloney case
Where, as here, a statute neither interferes with a fundamental right
Implying the second amendment isn't a fundamental right.

Has Sotomayor changed that view?

(Please, everyone, do not talk about politics, or any other Sotomayor cases in this thread. If you want to PM me I'd be happy to talk politics.)
 
As far as I can tell, she's very sparse in her opinions. There's a very limited basis on which to judge her thinking and philosophy.

All anyone can tell is that she went to the right schools, is the right ethnicity, says the right things, to please the left wing, and has never in her career deviated from the official leftist interpretation of anything before her.

It's a pretty fair bet she hasn't changed her mind.

The question really is, what will the serious justices around her do to influence her thinking? Will she take this post seriously, write opinions and dissents, really consider each case as a SCOTUS judge ought to? Or will she do what she has done in the past, and just toe the left line?

Who knows?

Certainly, SCOTUS judges have moved in various directions once on the bench. Is it the others around them and their influence? Is it their having to look at cases in different ways?

I don't know.
 
Could you please edit out that leftist comment? I don't disagree, I just don't want this thread going political.
 
She believes law is made on the bench, which is technicaly correct, but officialy not supposed to happen.

The intended purpose of the SCOTUS is to judge legislation in appeals on its Constitutionality. Not decide whether they believe the legislation is good, bad, or fits with thier beliefs.

She clearly feels the role on the SCOTUS is making decisions based on her personal beliefs she has aquired through her unique experiences, as voiced by her. Making changes based on those beliefs is most important in her limited official statements.

That alone is a clear statement that she does not wish to uphold the Constitutional role of a SCOTUS judge in impartialy determining Constitutionality whether she agrees with it or not, but rather to create what she feels is "good law" from the bench.
Not that that opinion makes her any different than many other justices in that regard (even those we support), it is however contrary to the oath they take and the job they are supposed to do.
 
The most succinct analysis of Sotomayor and the RKBA was by this law professor and 2nd Amendment scholar Here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/12/sotomayor_and_the_second_amendment_97420.html

Sotomayor and the Second Amendment
By Nelson Lund

Second Circuit Judge Sonia Sotomayor recently held that the Constitution does not protect the right to keep and bear arms against infringement by state and local governments. Her defenders maintain that she was merely applying settled precedent, which only the Supreme Court itself is authorized to reconsider. This is a half truth that conceals more than it reveals.



Last year, the Supreme Court resolved a longstanding debate by holding that the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms includes the right of American citizens to have weapons for personal self defense. Accordingly, the Court struck down a D.C. statute that outlawed the possession of handguns.



Since 1833, it has been settled that the Bill of Rights does not apply to state laws, but only to federal legislation like that involved in the D.C. case. In 1868, however, the Fourteenth Amendment imposed new restrictions on the States, forbidding them to abridge the "privileges or immunities" of American citizens or to "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."



In several nineteenth century cases, the Supreme Court held that the individual liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, are not among the "privileges or immunities" protected against state abridgement by the Fourteenth Amendment. Whether this was a correct interpretation or not, the Supreme Court has adhered to it ever since, and the lower courts are required to accept it.



In the twentieth century, however, the Supreme Court decided a series of cases in which it concluded that most of the rights protected against the federal government by the Bill of Rights are also "incorporated" against the state governments by the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause. The Court has analyzed each right separately, but the legal test that eventually emerged focuses on the significance of the right at issue in the Anglo-American tradition of ordered liberty. The Supreme Court has not yet reviewed an incorporation case involving the Second Amendment, but its Second Amendment opinion last year pointedly noted that a due process analysis is now "required" under its twentieth century caselaw.



Judge Sotomayor ignored this instruction from the Supreme Court. She decided that her court was not required to perform this due process analysis because the nineteenth century decisions under the Privileges or Immunities Clause had settled the issue. Several circuit courts had reached the same conclusion before last year's Supreme Court's decision, and one other circuit court reached the same conclusion just this month. Her defenders can therefore plausibly argue that her decision was not wildly out of the judicial mainstream.



It is not true, however, that Judge Sotomayor was faithfully following precedent. The Supreme Court has never said that the Due Process Clause does not "incorporate" the right to keep and bear arms. That Court has never said that the nineteenth century Privileges or Immunities Clause cases foreclose due process analysis. Nor has it ever said that the lower courts are supposed to "wait" for the Supreme Court to rule on due process incorporation. The Supreme Court's twentieth century incorporation cases are the most relevant precedents, and Judge Sotomayor completely ignored them.



Two months ago, the Ninth Circuit performed a careful analysis of those precedents, and concluded that the right to keep and bear arms is indeed incorporated. Nor was this the first court to realize that lower courts are required to analyze and apply those precedents. A number of circuit courts have done so with respect to other individual rights, and none of them has ever been criticized by the Supreme Court.



One illuminating example, from Judge Sotomayor's own Second Circuit, is a double jeopardy opinion written by then-Judge Thurgood Marshall. The Supreme Court later cited his opinion favorably, but Judge Sotomayor apparently decided that she didn't even need to consider the precedent he set, let alone the relevant Supreme Court cases.



President Obama has said that he wants judges whose "deepest values" will help them decide the 5 percent cases that are truly difficult. Judge Sotomayor's deepest values apparently caused her to ignore the precedents that would have vindicated the right of Americans to have the tools they need to protect themselves from violent criminals. Can anyone expect that to change if she is confirmed to the Supreme Court?





Nelson Lund, the Patrick Henry Professor of Constitutional Law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University School of Law, recently published “Anticipating Second Amendment Incorporation: The Role of the Inferior Courts” in the Syracuse Law Review. He was also a law clerk for former Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.
 
JImbo-

Left has a meaning. It's not a pejorative.

Her judicial philosophy, insofar as it has been articulated -- or maybe insofar as it IS a philosophy, is generic left, of the academic leftist variety.

Ask a ten Sociology professors at state-run universities what the answer to a particular question before the court is, and I'll bet $20 that she will answer the same thing.

My point is not that she's a Stalinist; it's that she doesn't really HAVE a judicial philosophy of her own, so far as anyone can tell. Her opinions are sparse, and her decisions follow the academic left's accepted "truth" when that's relevant.

Her judicial philosophy appears to be equivalent to Obama's economic philosophy, in yet other words. Whether you like that or not depends on whether or not you stand with the academic left, and not much else.

I've had a lot of exposure to the academic left. This is my honest opinion, not some sort of rant.

When her decisions have been appealed to SCOTUS, she's been overturned 4/5 of the time, by a large majority of justices overall, not just narrow decisions. This doesn't sound like someone with a judicial philosophy, does it?
 
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The bottom line is this: a Supreme Court Justice is suppose to make opinions, rulings and so on based on the Constitution, not the fashion of the day.
 
She just stated that she believes in the individual right, but not in incorporation when answering Senetor Lehey.

She also stated that she has an open mind for incorporation.
 
Interesting.

It appears that the left side of the bench might be recognizing that they look pretty silly if they don't at least pay lip service to an enumerated right.

Being a libertarian, and believing that some aspects of judicial conservatism are utter claptrap, I don't have a problem with "emanations and penumbras". If the court wants to "overreach" a hundredfold, and protect individual rights from the tyranny of the majority and of local governments everywhere, I have zero problem with that.

The problem I have had with judicial liberals is that they have had a habit of failing to protect many of our rights while digging hard for one or two here or there.
 
What she said was, and I'm paraphrasing, is : "it is not a fundamental right within the legal meaning of "fundamental" meaning since the SC did not address the states incorporation issue it is not a "fundamental" right.

I guess it means that you should not read it as her personal opinion that it isn't a fundamental right as we laymen define it. She also said her godson is an NRA member and she had friends that hunt and that she was open minded about the issue
 
She can "smell" it, the job that is, it is so close.

She has no moral scruples. She knows her confirmation is "in the bag". She knows that all that she has to do is to "weather the storm" and she is "in".

At this point she'll say anything she can to be confirmed and whatever she believes her questioner wants to hear. Once appointed, she'll do as she pleases.
 
Just read this on Yahoo News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl607

No issue scares Democrats more than gun control. Republican claims that then-President Clinton and his fellow Democrats would erode the 2nd Amendment led to big GOP gains in the 1994 midterm elections. That defeat made guns a third-rail issue for the next generation of Democrats.

And into this briar patch walks Sonia Sotomayor. Early in her testimony, she tried to reassure senators that she would not take any "preconceived notions" about gun rights to the Supreme Court if confirmed as a justice.

Her proof point? "One of my godchildren is a member of the NRA," Sotomayor said. "I have friends who hunt." She also said that as a member of the high court bench, she would feel constrained by precedent, if the Supreme Court has already spoken on an issue. The high court earlier this year reaffirmed the right of people to own a gun for self defense.
-Ron Fournier, AP Washington bureau chief

If that bolded part stays true then it makes me feel a bit better but I have a feeling she is in regardless so I am just looking for something to hope on...
 
Note that any judge will claim to follow precedent. It really is a meaningless claim, because it is the judge herself who interprets the precedent. Thus, an anti-gun judge will read the Heller precedent extremely narrowly. Every subsequent RKBA case that comes up could be distinguished from Heller because Heller "only held that the District of Columbia could not completely ban handgun possession in the home." On the other hand, if it serves the judge's purposes, a case with no apparent connection to the issue at hand could be cited as "binding" on the judge when she reads the prior case extremely broadly.

All you need to know about Judge Sotomayor regarding the 2A is this: if she really was a strong proponent of gun rights and the 2A would she really have been selected by President Obama and would her greatest fan be Senator Di Fi? Everyone knows that she is going to rule in lock step with the liberal justices on the Supreme Court.
 
To get back on track... and regarding Maloney:

Maloney did not say anything about whether or not the 2nd was a fundamental right. In what is known as a Rodriguez de Quijas v. Shearson/Am. Express, the court felt bound by SCOTUS rulings in Presser and Cruikshank which held that the 2nd was not incorporated. It was only in a preHeller case where she wrote that the 2nd is not fundamental. If that was all there was, I would not be overly concerned,(or as concerned) however....

In her testimony today, she indicates that SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd was not "fundamental" as far as incorporation rules are concerned. She also stated that she would be governed by rules of stare decisis (prior case law in SCOTUS) in this area.....

SCOTUS has never determined whether the 2nd is "fundamental" under incorporation analysis. The case law to which she refers (Cruikshank and Presser) arose before any such analysis was ever attempted by SCOTUS. This is not a very good sign, IMHO. She MUST know that her statement is wrong unless she was sleeping during Maloney and never read any of the briefs. I believe she is merely trying to sluff off her prior statements re: the 2nd not being "fundamental" based upon wrongfully blaming that on a determination made by SCOTUS.
 
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WRT her referring to Cruikshank or Presser, there are really two possibilities. In layman's terms, she is stupid, or she is lying.

That's why it's hard not to stray into "politics" here. She IS a politician, and right now that's becoming ever more clear.
 
Feingold just gave her every opportunity to offer insight into her opinion on the 2nd Ammendment and she made every effort to avoid offering such insight. Disappointing but not at all unexpected.
 
Maloney did not say anything about whether or not the 2nd was a fundamental right.
Maloney did say that the RKBA was not a fundamental right in this passage:

Where, as here, a statute neither interferes with a fundamental
right nor singles out a suspect classification
 
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