South Carolina Outlaws Poker Runs

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Heads up for all you bikers.

SC Gang Bill May Impact You and Charitable Groups
By FastFred

http://www.fastfreds.com/articles/gangbillcharitypokerruns.htm

Senator Knots and others are aware of the growing youth gang problem in South Carolina. However the bills introduced this session to address youth gangs were perverted with amendments into a bill that exempted youthful offenders. A gang bill will be introduced in the next session and is expected to be passed in the not so distant future. The gang bill may have unintended consequences; due to past opinions rendered by South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster poker runs and raffles are considered illegal. Additionally South Carolina’s gang bill could impact you and your charitable organization. Raising money for the organization through illegal means is one of the metrics measured to determine if an organization is considered a gang under the proposed legislation.

Since raffles and poker runs are currently considered illegal many well meaning organizations could fall victim and experience enhanced penalties proposed by the gang bill in addition to current fines and sentences. Wednesday April 12th Mt Pleasant Police raided a private home and arrested 22 people present at a poker game. While less than $250 was in play the police confiscated over $5,000 from those present. Each player had bought $20 of chips to play; $20 is roughly the cost to take part in a poker run. I suspect law enforcement utilizing the above tactics could confiscate far more money from a poker run.

The Wednesday night game was not a high stakes game. However each player was fined $267; state law allows for a $100 fine and/or 30 days in jail. Additionally everyone arrested has a mandated court appearance. I suspect TV cameras will cover the court appearances to provide more embarrassment. Organizers face much higher fines and longer jail sentences; state law allows for a $2,000 fine and/or one year in jail. During this enforcement of state gambling laws fines only approached $7,000. However imagine if all the organizers of an average charity poker run were each arrested and fine over $2,000. Consider a small poker run of 50 riders and 5 organizers could net law enforcement over $20,000 in fines in addition to any confiscated funds.

You may be thinking this could never happen at a charity event. However these penalties could just as easily be applied to riders and organizers involved in charity poker runs. The current law has no provisions to allow any games for the benefit of charities or the needy. Additionally games of chance and skill are both illegal under Section 16-19-40 of the South Carolina Code of Law. However this is only the tip of the iceberg the future gang bill could also require the forfeiture of an organization's assets including meeting halls and enhanced penalties for members.

The good news is you help prevent this from happening by getting involved now. Legislative action is required to right this wrong. If the thought of getting involved turns you off please consider the wise words of Plato: “The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.” If you don’t know where to start or how to impact the system please consider joining ABATE of SC. Your contribution will help us protect the rights of South Carolina Motorcyclists and provide you with an informative monthly newsletter. Together we can make a difference in South Carolina. Those working to help the less fortunate should be able to do so without risk of arrest and forfeiture of cash and property.
 
I have to agree with the law

Gambling is illegal in S.C. It is written in the constitution.... of course the problem with that is.... what about the State Lottery? Hypocrits all of them....
 
These guys should have realized they were breaking the law. It's not exactly a secret. And they can always find some other way of raising money.

Besides, I'm reminded of how Big Gambling got its hooks into a few states. It started off with "Las Vegas Nights" and charity gambling. Of course, for big events you need professional management with experience and skills. Then there was quaint touristy "Riverboat Gambling". No paddlewheels here. In short order the "boats", which were welded to the docks and probably couldnt' even float, were regular casinos. Video Poker was pushed as a fun, exciting but insignificant entertainment, and we all know exactly where it leads to.

No, I have no sympathy for these guys. And in the long long line of people who desperately need an appointment with a last cigarette and a portable adobe wall the gambling industry deserves to be moved a few places up.
 
Hard to believe a private game like that got busted. Around here, the attendees don't go running their mouths about where they'll be playing and everything is fine. A 20 person poker game at a private home is very very common around here...none of them seem to have a problem. It just seems odd to me that the private game got busted; I wonder how that happened.

If the house isn't taking a rake and there's no money on the table, it becomes a bit difficult to get in trouble.


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This link explains "poker run" pretty clearly:

http://motorcycles.about.com/cs/beginners/g/def064.htm

“Poker Run”
Glossary

From Walter Kern,
Your Guide to Motorcycles.
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Definition: A Poker Run is an organized motorcycle event where riders travel over a prescribed course and at designated stopping points, select a card. At the end of the run, the person with the best poker hand wins a prize. Poker Runs usually require a fee to enter with a part of the proceeds going to charity. Some runs are done from bar to bar but in the interest of safety, I don't recommend these. The best runs have a dinner at the end point and only serve soft drinks. Please do not drink and ride your motorcycle. The rules for Poker Runs vary depending on the event.
 
Wednesday April 12th Mt Pleasant Police raided a private home and arrested 22 people present at a poker game.
Assuming they didn't happen to see a big sign out in front saying "POKER HERE" or see a bunch of guys with chips and cards sitting on the deck or visible though an open window, they must have needed a search warrant.

Hmmm . . . was there some advance notice (advertising?) of this poker game to establish probable cause for a warrant and get a warrant issued, or were the police able to get a warrant on a moment's notice?

It would be very interesting to find out on what basis they obtained the warrant in the first place. (Informer? Undercover?)
 
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