Many Biker Gang Members Armed, Legally

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Many biker gang members armed, legally

By JOE KAFKA
Associated Press Writer

PIERRE, S.D. (AP) -- It would have been an unusual traffic stop any other time of year in South Dakota, but stopping several armed members of the Outlaws biker gang Thursday evening was not peculiar, a law officer said Friday.

That's because of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.

Motorcycle gang members carrying concealed handguns are stopped daily during the event that draws throngs of bikers and others to the Black Hills each August, said Capt. Kevin Joffer, district commander of the Highway Patrol at Sioux Falls.

"We tell the media not to sensationalize this because this is not out of the ordinary," he said. "Please don't get people excited because this is going on every day at the rally where law enforcement's encountering these gangs.

"Is it out of the ordinary from what we normally encounter throughout the year in South Dakota? Yes, it is. But the rally is different. Officers stop some of these motorcycle gang members, and there are several of them that do carry weapons."

Nearly all those stopped have the necessary permits that allow them to carry hidden handguns, Joffer added.

Statistics so far during rally week, which began Monday, seem to bear that out. Though several hundred thousand bikers have converged on Sturgis, just 11 people have been arrested for concealed weapons violations, said Capt. Randy Hartley, Highway Patrol district commander at Rapid City.

In exchange for the same consideration, South Dakota honors concealed weapons permits with 16 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

Joffer said a state trooper stopped 10 or so Outlaws motorcycle gang members Thursday night on Interstate 90 near Plankinton because of traffic violations. Backup officers were called only because of the large number of vehicles that were stopped, Joffer said.

"One of my sergeants discovered very early on that they were heavily armed, which means probably everybody was armed. There were no problems. They were all polite to him. He did call for some additional backup just to have there because he had multiple people stopped."

Joffer said some of the Outlaws were given traffic tickets, but all of the bikers had permits to carry concealed weapons and they were allowed to continue their trip to Sturgis.

The Highway Patrol official acknowledged that special attention is being paid to motorcycle gangs since a shooting spree Tuesday in Custer State Park between members of two gangs. Authorities have arrested two men affiliated with the Hells Angels for opening fire on several Outlaws at Legion Lake Resort; five Outlaws were struck by bullets and one of them suffered an undisclosed injury.

Since the gunfight, authorities have said they would not be surprised by reprisals. But they added that retaliation may not come during the rally and is likely to pop up anywhere in the country. Both the Outlaws and Hells Angels are reported to have more than 2,000 members in several states.

"We're all kind of nervous," Joffer said. "You wonder if maybe something else will come out of this, which potentially could happen."

South Dakota law allows people with permits to carry concealed weapons nearly everywhere except bars, courthouses and the Capitol. Violators face up to one year in jail and $2,000 fines.

Those who carry hidden handguns must have their permits in possession.

People do not need permits to carry concealed weapons on their own property or property they rent.

© 2006 The Associated Press.
 
so they're outlaws in name only. shock horror that so many "heavily armed" people could congregate without killing each other or the police.
 
If they have permits, that means that they are law abiding, and probably more knowledgable about firearm safety and laws than most people. I'd have no problem with people like that coming en masse to my hometown.

Well, the bike noise would probably get on my nerves after a while, but that's the only downside I can see.
 
Uh, yeah, we just CAN'T let people who ride American bikes and have a certain, er, fashion sense, have the same rights as everyone else...
 
You know how much those motorcycles cost now?! Most of those rough looking dudes have to be pulling in six figures. The day and age when motorcycles were viable working class transport are long gone. And the whole "biker gang" thing gets blown way out of proportion by the media and feds.
 
"Outlaw" doesn't necessarily mean "outlaw." And most real "outlaw" biker gangs have designated members with no records and a carry license who carry a bag full of guns for those members with black marks on their record (or a string of prison tattoos on their arms).

With the popularity of bikes these days, especially among affluent 40 and 50 somethings, it's surprising how many people still carry a negative impression of bikers in general. And most of the newer, "good bikers" are also into the gun thing. They're allies. During the ABATE lobby day every year, I make it a point to talk with these guys (and ladies). Like gun owners, they're mostly good folk, with a few jerks sprinkled around (even if they do dress weird!).
 
You know, if the Outlaws and the Hell's Angels want to shoot it out, and no one else gets hurt, I really don't give a <darn>.

I understand that the cops are duty-bound to give said <darn>, but I don't.

<Art's Grammaw dropped by with her soapy dishrag...>
 
One of the leaders of the Milwaukee chapter of the Outlaws owns a comedy club. Between the nitrous system he has on his bike and all the other modifications, he easily has $40K into it.

Still, I try to steer clear of any one-percenters. Some of them are just plain psychotic.
 
...and some of them are the only ones to come to check things out with pistol in hand when someone breaks the kitchen window...

...then again, they were filming porn in the place, too...weren't hurting anybody...
 
If they are so worried about a large number of people gathering in a certain place while having firearms the should check out Camp Perry (Home to the US National Matches) during August... :evil: :D
 
last time

there was a cop event in dc we had trouble from them an armed rape with the guy fleeing to new york i forget the final outcome.along with the rape a lotta drunk boys will be boys nonsense
 
When I was a kid, I got my car stuck in the mud in the Everglades while on a plinking trip. There were other guys shooting nearby, a few bikers and a few off duty cops. Guess who helped me push my car out of that black swamp mud? They were definitely good old boys.
 
Yup, down at the local scooter shop, you're asked if you're carrying a gun before you walk through the door. If you say no, they let ya borrow one.

Biker
 
Guess who helped me push my car out of that black swamp mud? They were definitely good old boys.

Many moons ago (I was 13-14) I worked for my step-dad in his restaurant busing tables / cleaning up etc.

A bunch of local bikers hung out in Pop's restaurant on occasion, drinking beer and eating pizza. They would give me money for the pinball machine, wrestle around with me, tell me dirty jokes, whatever.

God help anyone who came into Pop's place and messed with me (or Pop) when they were there. Good folks, those.
 
I just got invited to ride with Rollin' Thunder. Guess who I like better? Bikers or cops ....................... and I was once a cop!
 
It sorta seems as though the article is implying that everyone attending Sturgis is a "motorcyle gang" member. And that everyone the cops are stopping are "biker gang members."

Poor, poor journalism.
 
Good point, Old Dog. Lotta clubs out there that don't qualify as a "gang" and a whole bunch of outriders. I guess "gang", much like "assault weapon", sells more rags.

Biker:)
 
You guys crack me up. These are not "poor, misunderstood, victims of society."

Google the "Outlaws" motorcycle gang. It's not a generic description. It's an official name. And in your google, cross-reference it with "organized crime."

You crack me up.

The article references the "Outlaws" motorcycle gang. Not an "outlaw" motorcycle gang.

Although any "outlaw" motorcycle gang should be "outlawed." They certainly shouldn't be allowed to carry concealed legally.
 
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oh I don't know

The day and age when motorcycles were viable working class transport are long gone.

one of my old bikes was held together by wire and duct tape and cost me 150$
I got 20,000 miles out of it.....

One time in Okeechobee nat forest my chain fell off another old tired honda
I was driving, I hadn't realized it was even gone! I hadn't heard it and thought I was just losing power...
Some "oultlaw" (not sure if actual gang or just look like) bikers stopped, told me how
much they don't like honda.
They had found my chain several miles down the road grabbed it and put it
back on my bike for me (they had tools too!) and refused to accept any money!
 
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