Special Weapons SP10?

[Foxtrot427]

I like the look of this gun and have heard little. A couple good things but less bad. I am interested in the purchase of a HK USC or SP10. I want to be able to sell the gun in a while and hopefully watch as it goes up in some value. Am I correct in assuming the HK would apreciate faster? I know I am correct in assuming the HK is of higher quality. Unless this Special Weapons LLC is really that good.

I like the look and the price of the SP10 over the USC but that is it. I like the thought of owning a genuine HK, having the quality, and having a .45 shooter. Its not that I think the SP10 looks way better, its just that I would have to blacken out the stock on the USC to make it look as good as the SP10 which just jacks up its price even more.

If anyone has any information about either firarm, please dont hesitate to post. I would really apreciate it. Even just a good opinion or pictures of either gun. Thanks in advace, everyone. Looking to spend some time at this place.

Nick

 

[Mute]

Special Weapons has a less than stellar reputation in its product, customer service and business ethics. I wouldn't touch one of their guns if you paid me. Stick with the HK.

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

I'll 2nd Mute's opinion. One of the worst reps out there. I wanted this SW 76 clone AIM has, until I did some research... Heard way too much about not only the gun, but the company too. I quickly changed my mind once I realized Hesse would be a huge step up. Thank Gore for the Internet!

Save your money.

 

[Foxtrot427]

Ok thank you very much guys. Now I have to decide between the HK USC and the FN PS90.

Is the 5.7x28mm ammunition really that expensive/hard to find? Is the gun god for resale? Oh and does anyone know when it is going to be for sale.

As for the USC, (stupid question probably) are there any mags larger than 10rds?

 

[Mute]

If USC mags of more than 10 round capacity exists, I don't know about them. As for the FN, it's a neat little gun. Which one you should get depends on what you really want. The 5.7x28 is too new to know if it has legs. The .45 acp however, is an American mainstay. There will ALWAYS be commercial rounds available.

 

[Foxtrot427]

Well I would want a USC more than a P90 probably. Just because of the P90 ammo. Its a hopped up .22 with really good penetration. I would most likely go ahead with a USC but I have yet to see those hicap mags. I dont want to do a grease gun magwell conversion because its pretty damn ugly and its just more money to spend. A UMP conversion isnt ugly but to do it, it costs as much as the gun itself. Unless I am wrong about that.
It seems they all have flaws that would be unacceptable to me. The SP10 with a questionable quality. The USC with its stupid magazines. And the P90 with its ammunition.

 

[Mute]

If you're looking for a pistol caliber carbine that can take larger capacity magazines, perhaps you might consider getting an AR lower and throwing on a handgun caliber upper on it.

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

Ok thank you very much guys. Now I have to decide between the HK USC and the FN PS90.

Is the 5.7x28mm ammunition really that expensive/hard to find? Is the gun god for resale? Oh and does anyone know when it is going to be for sale.

As for the USC, (stupid question probably) are there any mags larger than 10rds?

From the two choices given... I'd likely go with the FN PS90.
Wolf will be making 5.7, so ammo will be cheap and available
Resale will be good in my estimation. 50rd mags are out there.
Its a very different looking animal, I think it would be extremely fun to shoot.

Look into the pros/cons of the HK system. To date, I really have not found any compelling reasons to get into them. My knowledge is limited though, so I definitely suggest doing homework before buying.

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

It seems they all have flaws that would be unacceptable to me. The SP10 with a questionable quality. The USC with its stupid magazines. And the P90 with its ammunition.

Look at the Beretta Storm?
9mm version has factory 32rd mags available.
It's definitely on my buy list.

As for the 5.7, it's extremely popular with LEO around here, they'll pay any price for the ammo.

 

[Foxtrot427]

Look at the Beretta Storm?
9mm version has factory 32rd mags available.
It's definitely on my buy list.

As for the 5.7, it's extremely popular with LEO around here, they'll pay any price for the ammo.

Yes I have. There seems to be alot out there so I dont know how great resale would be.

From the two choices given... I'd likely go with the FN PS90.
Wolf will be making 5.7, so ammo will be cheap and available
Resale will be good in my estimation. 50rd mags are out there.
Its a very different looking animal, I think it would be extremely fun to shoot.

Look into the pros/cons of the HK system. To date, I really have not found any compelling reasons to get into them. My knowledge is limited though, so I definitely suggest doing homework before buying.

Really? So like as cheap as...sayyy 9mm? I bet that would go for alot. At 1600 though...it better.

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

Yes I have. There seems to be alot out there so I dont know how great resale would be.

With entry price of the Beretta just under $600, I would'nt think so much about resale. This is the type of carbine people either love or hate, not many in the middle it seems. I figure worst case, it gains no value, but makes for a real decent bedside tool. In any case, I'd buy it with intentions of not parting with it.

Really? So like as cheap as...sayyy 9mm? I bet that would go for alot. At 1600 though...it better.

The PS90 comes at a large entry price, so yes... I'd really pray for ROI (return on investment) but again, this is something people love or hate with no inbetween. I guess I'm betting there won't be that many floating around here, probably due to the price/looks/ammo cost combination, and come 2008, civilian sales I expect will cease. That or sales won't be big and civilian production will cease. Even if there is no ban, I really don't expect to see very many... and that could mean good money back in ten years, provided you find the right buyer.

Concerning ammo, Wolf seems to make everything affordable for the plinker. They offer .30 caliber and since I found that out, I've been reconsidering an M1 carbine. One of the big things for me is, since I don't reload yet, and I'm not rich yet, I don't want to get into anything I can't afford 1K rounds for.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say, I'm thinking $100-$150 per 1K of the 5.7, but I might be too optimistic. I think it'll depend on what they percieve as supply and demand. Right now, it's going for $0.50+ per round On the other hand, our Russian pals might just consider this a fancy .22 and price it accordingly.

 

[Foxtrot427]

I love the look of the CX4 I just need something that will be worth something if a while. .50 a round??? That better go down. Most places that order P90s are known to sell out again before the shipment even gets there.

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

I love the look of the CX4 I just need something that will be worth something if a while.

Dude, if you're looking for an investment, try mutual funds! Ask around, guns are not money makers, by and large.

.50 a round??? That better go down.

Guys here are paying $1.00 per cartridge. AND they are thankful for the privledge! Don't ask me why.

My point was/is that Wolf will likely change that situation. Also don't forget, theres a difference between civilian legal and LEO restricted 5.7 and that factor effects price, the LEO stuff is real tough to get ahold of. Civilian stuff is $0.50ea. and more available.

Now that in mind, I'd say cost of feeding any firearm is going to somewhat effect the demand... and if theres little demand, then there is little value.

 

[Foxtrot427]

Ohhh. The SS192 has been discontinued. I think the cheaper stuff is SS195 and SS197. The SS195 being more accurate and fast. The SS197 is the slower version that frags on impact. Ive heard them go for around $13-$15 a box. So roughly .31 a cartridge. I think as the ammunition mfrs see how many PS90s are being sold and they will start production and the cost will drop.