Spend a week, build a wall !

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Yeah, they're here, so let's get them into the system, make them pay taxes, give them the same protection that American workers have (minimum wage and other protections against exploitation).
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Maybe if you didn't see America as "a system," you'd understand that this is a nation first. We have plenty of corporate types who see America as a Profit Center and nothing more. The "system" is what got us to this sorry pass in the first place.
 
WAITAMINIT! You mean that wetback unloading for me for $20 a day yesterday now wants $6 an hour AND unemployment, withholding and social security?

Shoot, I might as well hire an AMERICAN STUDENT at those rates!:cuss:

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enforce the laws we have

I heard on the radio (I can't verify if this is true) that in 2004 only 4 companies in the entire nation were fined for hiring illegal workers. Hire 10k "illegal alien" inspectors that do nothing but dole out heavy fines (2-5k per worker) on employers that hire illegals. Enforce the law. Enforce the fine. Remove illegal welfare programs. Did you know the IRS gives out tax id's with out background checks to illegals with fraudulant personal info and false SSNs/IDs then shields their records from INS. So much for more cooperation between departments.

Reduce the demand and the supply will take care of it's self. If there are 11 million unemployed illegal aliens they will start to leave (they can not collect unemployment), and maybe it will stem the flow of them crossing the border.If they are criminals, they get deported. Maybe they can go to Canada:what:

This is like gun control, we don't need more control laws. Enforce the the laws we have.
 
Of course, if they have an SSN or EIN, we ARE getting tax money from them and they ARE being paid "proper" wages, not a few $$ under the table.

It's not any more legal, but it's less economically harmful.

THOSE are the ones who can potentially be turned into productive Americans, because they're ambitious and skillful.
 
Madmike:

The barrier can indeed be an expensive proposition. Now let us see some engineering skills in action. How much would a 100 miles long and 100 yards wide harassing-type antipersonnel minefield cost?
 
A good portion of the land along the US/Mexico border is privately owned. Do you propose using emminent domain to seize a portion of that land to add your wall/moat/mine field?
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If you have a property that has public road frontage, the local government can and does take part of it for road widening. Moreover, most ranchers would probably welcome the idea if it protects them from squatters and trespassers.
 
Standard antipersonnel minefield would be pointless. Coyotes, dogs, thrown rocks, etc, would set it off. There'd quickly be holes. Or someone would use a piece of construction equipment to detonate a hole. Or flails, WWI style. These people are already risking death by dehydration and heat stroke in many cases. A minefield isn't going to mean squat.

Mines channel and slow the enemy to make it easier to call pre-coordinated artillery and air strikes against him. In this case, IF you had manned towers every 1000 yards max, you could bring rifle fire to bear on them.

And how will it play on the news to be shooting people without trial? And want to bet the ACLU won't win that one?

If we shoot at them on Mexican soil, it's an act of war. If they're on our soil, it's a violation of due process (unless they are in the act of using armed force at the time). Not going to happen.
 
Oleg
The Mexican's ghetto belongs to them. Are you implying that we owe Mexico something?
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Volunteering to build a wall is a terrible idea. When an illegal alien injures themselves climbing over it, you're totally going to get sued...you better place small steps with that sticky paper stuff at the edge in case it's wet so they don't trip. Also you're going to need an elevator for disabled illegal aliens who can't climb the stairs. Also you'd better place bilingual signs so they can read instructions on how to safely climb-over your wall. Oh yeah...most can't read even spanish...so you're going to need to hire guides to help them over...bilingual guides.
 
I am not suggesting that we owe Mexico anything. It wouldn't break my heart if Mexican leadership all got cancer and leprosy at the same time.

I am saying outright that immigration helps the US, even if it is illegal due to the current restrictions. The problems were are seeing are largely due to theunfunded mandates (free social and other services), and that applies equally to the foreign and to the domestic freeloaders. My own experience with immigrants (including Mexican) indicates that they don't much differ from Americansinmentality nd that most just want to work for a living. Whether they do menial work or advanced work, they are mostly after having a reasonable living environment for their families.

As for the various gangbangers, foreign or domestic, I would not shed any tears if they came to sticky ends. Having studied European approach to this, I think that it is disingehuous to blame people fro trying to get away from bad places. If CA seceded from the US and its residents had to wait for years to be reunited with their relatives or just wanted to escape the dictatorship, would you blame them for walking across Nevada deserts to get away?
 
Oleg...
You state that "immigration helps the US". I will concede that some immigration can, no more.
As far as the Eurpopean approach goes, it doesn't seem to be helping France out a whole lot, a model I could see repeated here.
Explain why, if you would, that you make an unequivical statement as "immigration helps the US, even if it is illegal".
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Build a Wall?

I like the idea of digging a moat.

Start at Chula Vista and drain the Pacific down to El Paso to flood the Rio Grande to the Gulf.

Seriously, some type of restraint is needed along the borders as well as the rewriting of legislation to make immigration a less burdensome endeavor.
 
how about an electric fence with barbwire?
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Perfect. Mexicans haven't discovered rubber gloves and bolt cutters yet.:rolleyes:

Any such construction will turn into a sport.

"Ay, Pedro, you want to go cut holes in the Gringo fence again?"

"Sure ting, Romero. How about we bash a hole in the wall, too?"

"We could try fastening anchors and use Miguel's tractor."

"Si. Nothing runs like a Deere."

"Ay, I bet I can get that pack of dogs through the minefield with five rocks."

"Nah, that's boring. Think I can hit that camera with a .22 Colibri from 50 meters?"

"I was tinking we heave a gallon of gasoline over the post and light it."
 
"Si, eh, Miguel, mi amigo 'el Taco' has some agua on the other side for us."

Anyway... we spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR to keep drugs out of the country, and it's a felony to possess them (in distribution quantiies) anywhere in the country.... AND THAT'S WORKING SO WELL!
 
But Taco don't you see...a wall would stop everything bad from happening. Take Britain for instance. They are surrounded by a huge moat and have no illegal drugs, migrants, or firearms entering. At least that was...until...the chunnel.
 
La Revolucion? First we'd have to resurrrect Che Guevara...wouldn't he be a fun El Presidente...we could all be treated to the joys of "Motorcycle Diaries 2"
 
By and large, people produce more than they consume -- in terms of goods, ideas and inventions. That's why I say that people who show enough initiative to move and adjust to another culture help the US. Those who don't adjust do not prosper and remain irrelevant to the rest of us. You might want to study the history of immigration: in some decades of the 19th and 20th centuries, over 50% of immigrants from the Mediterranean countries went back eventually, either because they couln't adjust or because they earned enough for a life of leisure back home. Didn't harm the US much, did they?
 
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