Sporterized Lee Enfield Value?

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HI, A friend of mine has a Lee Enfield she is selling. Unfortunately it has been sporterized. Could this rifle be returned to original military configuration? How much is a rifle like this worth. I'd like to purchase it from her. It also has a tool kit and one box of what looks like surplus ammo in a cardboard box.

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Sorry moderators. I had two windows open at the same time and posted this in the wrong section.
 
$100-$150. It looks like the barrel hasn't been chopped, but everything else from the chamber forward will need to be replaced if you want to return it to its original condition.
 
Start off by checking the headspace.

It looks restorable; you can price out how much all the parts you'll need from Numrich and Liberty Tree. At the end of the day, you might be in it for more wampum than you can buy a correct version of a No1mk3.
 
Yes it's safe to shoot. It was checked by a gunsmith. If it is a BSA commercial rifle why would it be in South Africsn military service? Were they just desperate for whatever they could get during ww2?

I probably won't restore it back to military configuration. Just want to make sure that it can be done. I just wouldn't mind buying it as a nice shooter. It has really nice sights on it.

So in its current condition and configuration it's only worth about $100-150? I'm buying it from a good friend so want to give her full value for it.

Thanks, Dan
 
No clue. The Broad Arrow in U is the Union of SA ownership stamp. It appears to have London Proof stamps. The side strap of the action lacks a crown or model no., so its a commercial action.
 
London Proof stamps are the BNP et al stamps. Required by English law on any milsurp sold through there. Nothing to do with London though. The 'BNP' stands for Birmingham Nitro Proof.
"...It was checked by a gunsmith..." He check the headspace with proper gauges? Not many smithy's have .303 British headspace gauges. Not even up here. Good headspace will save you a pile of money. No. 1 rifle bolt heads, that you need a handful of to check with gauges and are not marked by length, run about $15 each.
Anyway, it's a No. 1 Mk III in what appears to be at least Very Good condition. Hard to tell condition from pictures. Restoring a milsurp to military is getting expensive. Stocks and the metal bits for them are getting scarce and pricy. There is no point spending the money on a rifle that is not going to give you a decent restored rifle. Gunparts, for example, wants $5.05 for a rear sight protector(wings around the rear sight). $2.55 for the screw that holds it on. Fore stocks run about $60. Adds up.
Assuming the headspace is ok, measure the barrel length. Should be 25" or very close to that. If that's ok, check the bore condition and slug the barrel. That'd be hammering a cast .30 calibre bullet or suitably sized lead fishing sinker though the barrel from the chamber end using a 1/4" brass rod and a plastic mallet, then measuring it with a micrometer. Lee-Enfield barrels can measure from .311" to .315" and still be considered ok. Over .315" is shot out. However, current factory ammo and reloading bullets come in .311" or .312" so over .312" really is not good. Cast bullets can be loaded though.
 
It has London Proof House stamp, the P in a circle under a crown. Which is interesting because BSA were in Birmingham and their product would normally have a BNP stamp.
 
Could this rifle be returned to original military configuration?

Absolutely. Looks like the barrel hasn't been cut, so all you will need is the fore grip and end cap. Like the man said, only worth about $150 maximum.

I have a No. 1 and a No. 4 in similar condition. I've decided it isn't worth restoring them to original for now. Perhaps some other time.
 
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I was at a lgs the other day. There was a beautifully sporterized Enfield on the rack.... with scope...$225.00...
Now how often are you going to find a handsome, reliable, high power sporting rifle for that kind of money?
Where are you fellows shopping and finding any kind of firearm for $100 on a regular basis?
Pete
 
It's a BSA commercial rifle from the interwar years. The broad arrow in U means a Union of South Africa ownership mark.

More here:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?161159-Commercial-B-S-A-quot-Time-to-Resurrect-quot
Guys, if it's a commercial interwar rifle, then putting a military stock on it shouldn't be called "restoring". Isn't this its original, civilian condition? Make sure it gets used as a hunting rifle. If you don't need it, sell it or give it away and take pride in having stopped one hunter from buying some newfangled low cost plastic stock low quality magazine disposable rifle.
 
Commercial means it wasn't ordered by the British govt. In this case it was probably a direct purchase by the South African Govt. of the day and would most likely have been delivered in full military trim. The sporting version of the Commercial BSA rifles had checkered stocks.
 
I don't think I'd bother "restoring" it.

Now though even greater expense

A fake Holland and Holland sniper.

A period Safari hunting rifle.

or

Leave it as is....

All seem like good ways to go.

Todd.
 
That is a beautiful rifle but I doubt it's worth more than $200.00. If it shoots great I'd leave as is. Maybe add a nice leather sling.
 
Worth? What ever you can get for it............ Not original. Changed into a sporter, may or may not be to every ones liking.

Ammo another concern.
 
It looks like it's restorable. I would restore it even though it might not make perfect economic sense, just for the satisfaction of having saved something important historically.
 
What does the bore look like? Is it bright with no corrosion or pitting? I would give $200 easily for a good shooting Enfield of any model if the action, bore, and magazine were in very good condition no matter what furniture it is wearing. They are good shooting rifles even without the history.

.303 ammo is still available and it is an easy round to reload. Once you get a supply of bullets you can buy a Type 99 Arisaka so you can reload for it too as it uses the same bullet as the Enfield!!!
 
100-150 bucks. I put a 1914 BSA back in its original furniture. Probably put 150-200 over the cost of the rifle (150.00) to get replacement furniture, nose cap, internals, etc. I won't lie, it was a fun project if that's your cup of tea. You could probably buy a nice SMLE for that but it is fun to hunt down the parts, fit, and learn some history on the way.
Now, my "returned" SMLE is one of my favorite rifles to shoot. Pretty accurate too. I love it so much I want a No. 4 now but I'll probably just get one rather than return one to a wartime config. My .02 anyway.
 
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