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does anyone "sporterize" military surplus rifles anymore? :eek: A friend of mine has an old military surplus rifle with the stock totally broken and trashed. Essentially he has just the barreled action in good condition. There seem to be plenty of synthetic sporterizing stocks available by mail order. Anyone here who has sporterized an old Mosin Nagent (or K-31, or Enfield, etc) to turn it into a hunting rifle? Anything in particular to look out for (other than horrified collectors)?
 
i've sported mausers before, and in fact, have a 98/22 down in kansas right now being turned into a custom.

can't help ya on the mosin-specific questions, though.
 
You can buy a better gun for a lot less money by the time you put a proper barrel, drill and tap, decent trigger, new stock, etc, etc. I don't see the point.

Now, I HAVE just had a Spanish Mauser drilled and tapped for a scope and put it on see through mounts so the bolt would clear. That was cheap enough for a knock about gun, but I have better, more accurate guns and if you're looking for cost effective, don't get much better than a Savage M110. I bought one of those for something a little over 200 bucks sans scope about 15 years ago. Don't think they're much over 300 now. Danged accurate and adjustable trigger to boot!

If you're looking to build something special, just buy a Mauser action and have it barreled and stocked.
 
Let's take a trip back in time. After WWI, a lot of Americans were starting to see the benefits of a quality bolt-action rifle. The levergun still reigned supreme as the hunting rifle of choice, but more and more hunters wanted to use higher-powered and more accurate bolt actions. The problem was, there wasn't much selection on the US market. US arms makers were slowly starting up production during the 20's and 30's, but for a shooter or hunter who wanted an affordable bolt action, the military surplus rifles were one of the best options. NO AMERICAN RIFLE MAKER was producing rifles on par with the Mauser 98's until 1936 when the Model 70 came out. So it made a lot of sense to strip down a Mauser to its action, take it to a smith and make your own bolt action rifle. And a lot of sporterized Mausers from this period are EXCELLENT rifles, with quality stocks and slick actions.

Flash forward to the period after WWII when the first great shipments of bulk bringbacks and arsenal selloffs hit our shores. This sparked a different era of sporterization, marked by inferior workmanship and garage hacking. "American Rifleman" and other rags printed dozens of articles trying to teach do-it-yourself gunsmiths how to sporterize that "junky" European rifle and make it valuable and useful. Of course what ended up happening most of the time was crude hacking off the end of the stock and barrel, slapping on some cruddy sights, and possibly re-chambering for some new or hybrid cartridge. This made some sense back in the day, since military rounds such as 7.62x54R or 8x57JS were very difficult to find.

Flash forward again to the end of the Cold War, when what's probably the last great wave of arsenal sell-offs hit the US. The 90's saw a massive growth in not only the collecting of military rifles in original condition, but in the doctrines of historical preservation in general. People started thinking about the rifles as being a part of history worth saving. Coupled with this, the value of US surplus arms in particular went through the roof, making a lot of folks rue the day they took out the hack saw.

So today we have two competing trends. The old doctrines of hacking and slashing are so firmly entrenched you still find otherwise intelligent shooters who will destroy a valuable military rifle and turn it into an unspeakable hobgoblin with almost no value. But slowly and surely the new doctrine is starting to hold sway. These days, unlike the 30's or even 50's, you can go out and buy a Savage bolt action that will shoot MOA for far less than the cost of a military rifle and your hacking equipment.

So what's the point? If it's a busted stock, you can order a new stock. There's no need to waste time and energy tryint to do more. The availability of no-drill scout-style mounts these days also makes the D&T option a waste of time.
 
I sporterized a Mauser 98k that was rebarrelled (with a short 18" bbl)for .30'06 by Kodiak in the 60's. I have it in a short polymer stock, and it has not iron sights.

With a scope, it's great for splitting my eyebrow in two, and making pretty puddles of blood :eek: Let's just say Remington's "Managed recoil" loads are a godsend.
 
Goes both ways

I've sporterized 1 Turk Mauser, and I'm working on a VZ-24 and a Mosin 91/30...All of these were in rough shape, except for the action/bore (and I HAD to shorten barrels because of muzzle wear)... And, these are VERY common guns, with some of the markings ground off, mismatched parts, etc. So collector value was minimal, when there's a few million others like each out there.

On the other hand, I bought a sporterized 1918 vintage SMLE at an auction. Luckily, all they did was chop up the stock. I found "new" wood and hardware (actually still missing a coupla screws) to restore it. This is a matching number gun with the metal in very good condition, and its an early gun. So I decided to restore it.

As far as economics, I only have a little over $200 in my Turk Mauser, including the scope...Did some careful shopping for used parts...But biggest savings was to keep the original barrel(after shortening and re-crowning it shoots baout 1 MOA). If you have to re-barrel, it doesn't make much sense economically, as you can buy a new gun.
 
The rifle in its original state was passable for hunting humans at one point it its career. No need to do anything short of adding a stock to it to make it a "hunting" rifle for deer/bear/elk/squirrel/rabbits.

That being said, there are plenty of custom gunsmiths who would take your friends money and give him exactly what he wants, should he decide on exactly what he wants.
 
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Cosmoline: I also agree with you 100% and wouldn't go to the trouble now that I would have 35-40 years ago. However has anyone niced the the prices that Griffen & Howe Springfields are bringing and aso the converted Mausers and Springfields of Paul Jaeger Inc, formerly from Jenkintown. Pa.
 
Based on the feedback..........

he has decided to just get another stock and maintain it in the original configuration. His eyes are still good and doesn't need optics instead of iron sights (as yet anyway - it happens to us all eventually). Thanks for all the information.

But I now have a question for those who hunt with these type rifles. If the rifle will hold more than 5 shots (a real plus in a battle rifle), they are not legal to use for deer hunting in some states. Are there ways to "adjust" the magazine capacity to meet that criteria???
 
You can either buy a 5 round magazine (alot of them only take 5 rounds anyway) or some people put in a block of wood to allow no more than 5 rounds in the rifle.
 
I have some of these sights on a few of my milsurp rifles. They are very well made, require no modifications and really increase my accuracy. Many of the sights on these old rifles leave something to be desired!

http://www.mojosights.com/
 
varies by state. in s.d., you can have 6-shot capacity, and it is legal to plug the magazine (under the spring, not on top of the follower) or buy a 5-shot mag and use that instead.
 
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