Spread of buying frenzy...?

[Batty67]

Clearly, ARs are gone, going to be soon, or supremely increased in price. I was casually thinking about getting one, and with the until-one-week-ago glutted market, perhaps in 2013. But that is not going to happen. I'm not going to purchase any firearm without having done my research, asked people whose opinion's I trust, and settled on a suitable vendor for a good (or better) price.

But I HAVE been on the market for a bobbed 1911 and getting close to making a purchase pending sales of some non-firearms. Do my fellow THR members feel that any and all semiautos will be snapped up? How about non AR calber ammunition?

Let's hope this all blows over with minimal restrictions on our 2nd Amendment. If it does, I think the AR market will be super-saturated, much like the housing bubble of 2006/2007.

 

[mgmorden]

I don't think you have anything to worry about regarding 1911's at the moment. They are neither "assault weapons" nor do they usually take mags greater than 10 rounds in capacity. Their goal is total confiscation, but its always an incremental approach.

IF they can get new legislation passed, it will be for a new AWB banning many semi-auto rifles and mags in excess of 10 rounds. They won't attack semi-auto handguns in earnest unless that passes first and the public has some time to accept it and they can start clamoring for "compromise" again.

AR's are another story. It sounds like if what they want to pass does pass, that there won't be outright confiscation, but the transfer of such weapons wouldn't be allowed. As such if you don't own one now you'd never be able to. I'm not really that much into AR's but "just in case" bought one back in 2008. Glad I did at this point.

 

[TJx]

It shouldn't take but several minutes to verify this opinion:
A Colt LE6920 is a very well respected AR15 type carbine.
Magpul Pmags are considered some of the best mags for it.
$1100 is the going rate in a "saturated" market for the Colt, it will never go down.
Easily finding one for around $1100 was too late as of last Friday night.

 

[Ryanxia]

Edit: Hopefully they won't ban them.

 

[TJx]

Ryanxia, you might want to delete your post ASAP.

 

[Trent]

Agreed.

 

[AlexanderA]

There will be a Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly, Virginia, the weekend after Christmas. I expect it to be an absolute zoo. Come early and bring lots of money.

I've been watching gun legislation since 1968 (when I was in the third year of law school), and I've never seen the likes of the media feeding frenzy that's going on now. It seems fairly clear that the antigunners were preparing this push for a long time, waiting for the elections to be out of the way and for a terrible shooting incident to take place. The pro-gun side was caught momentarily flat-footed. I sure hope that the NRA, in an attempt to recover momentum, is not ready to throw "black rifle" owners and others under the bus in order to court public opinion. We'll see what they say at their news conference Friday.

 

[AlexanderA]

AR's are another story. It sounds like if what they want to pass does pass, that there won't be outright confiscation, but the transfer of such weapons wouldn't be allowed. As such if you don't own one now you'd never be able to.

Freezing transfers of currently-owned weapons amounts to "economic" confiscation, and skates awfully close to a "taking" which constitutionally requires compensation. If they want to freeze AR's, it's more likely they would bring them under the purview of the National Firearms Act, register them (in an amnesty), and then require a $200 transfer tax and ATF approval for subsequent transfers. BTW, transfer approval for current NFA items is a 6-8 month process. You can imagine the system grinding to a total halt if you suddenly add millions of AR's to the data base.

 

[WALKERs210]

Yes the frenzy has started, today while doing mandatory shopping at Wal-Mart I went to the sporting section. The cabinet that holds ammunition behind clear plex doors had maybe four or five boxes of 22Shorts in the upper 2/3rds of cabinet. One man stood there looking like a deer in headlights of a car, guess he just could not believe it was empty. Then on the way home I stopped at one of my favorite Pawn/Gun shops. This one never had a large selection of guns but now he has much less inventory. Owner knows me well and after a few min in store he called me over to side, he was trying to buy AR's from me and even AK's. Back several months ago I bought 30 rd mags for the AR from him at $5.00 each and best I remember I think I got 12 or so and now he want to buy these back also.

 

[Batty67]

There will be a Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly, Virginia, the weekend after Christmas. I expect it to be an absolute zoo. Come early and bring lots of money.

I was also thinking the Nation's Gun Show will be a chaotic zoo, with any ARs being priced double what they were when I went to the last one a few weeks ago and snapped-up quickly. I might go to check on the 1911s, but maybe not. I wonder if those prices will also be inflated... I also wonder if folks not able to get an AR will buy semiautomatic pistols just in case. Sigh...

 

[silicosys4]

lol, on one hand, I'm waiting for people to forget all about those dusty old revolvers, that aren't high capacity....might be some sweet deals in the next few weeks as people ignore them in favor of the bottom feeders.

 

[KodeFore]

I have a bottom half for a second ar and I am wondering if i should rush out to a lgs and pick up a top half before price gauging gets out of hand? I have noticed that upper halves on places like midway have evaporated practically overnight. If anyone knows any good deals please let me know.

 

[cyclopsshooter]

I'm waiting for people to forget all about those dusty old revolvers, that aren't high capacity....might be some sweet deals in the next few weeks as people ignore them in favor of the bottom feeders.

Or is semi-autos get banned.. think of the price jump for wheel guns! $550 for a well holstered PD Smith 10-6

 

[Speedgoat]

lol, on one hand, I'm waiting for people to forget all about those dusty old revolvers, that aren't high capacity....might be some sweet deals in the next few weeks as people ignore them in favor of the bottom feeders.

Yep, the ship on AR lowers and 30 round mags for my Mini has sailed for all monetary sensibleness. Looks like my main 'platforms' will be my '92 Win lever gun and Colt Peacemakers. Prices on .45 Colt appear to remain steady for now.

 

[MachIVshooter]

If they want to freeze AR's, it's more likely they would bring them under the purview of the National Firearms Act, register them (in an amnesty), and then require a $200 transfer tax and ATF approval for subsequent transfers.

If that happens, "AR" and "SBR" will become synonymous.

There is exactly one way I'd be open to making ARs NFA; Reopen the MG registry. That is compromise. I'll happily register my ARs if I can legally make them full auto.

Let's slip that poison pill in and watch the antis squirm!

 

[AlexanderA]

There is exactly one way I'd be open to making ARs NFA; Reopen the MG registry. That is compromise. I'll happily register my ARs if I can legally make them full auto.

At a minimum, this registration scheme should include repeal of the Hughes Amendment, and a general amnesty so that all pre- and post-samples (and even "non-gun" demils) would become transferables.

 

[Redlg155]

So they make ARs subject to NFA. So now people are subject to the mercy of the Chief LEO to own said weapon. Plus some folks live in areas where ARs are legal, but NFA weapons aren't...

 

[Bob2222]

IF they can get new legislation passed,

Boehner seems to be having trouble corralling his troops for fiscal cliff legislation that includes a tax increase on millionaires, many or most of whom don't even vote Republican anyway. How far will Second Amendment restrictions get?

While I think Feinstein's bill should skate through the Senate, I don't know if it's going anywhere in the House before 2014 -- and that's if the Republicans manage to lose it. Which they may manage to do.

While surrounding blue states like New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts have restricted magazine capacity, Connecticut didn't include this in it's AWB. Someone might want to ask them why they didn't and why they now don't.

It's understandable that a rancher in Wyoming with a coyote problem might want a high capacity magazine, it seems most reasonable to leave it up to the states. The argument for AWB 2.0 seems to be that the Democrats in Connecticut were too stupid to write their law correctly, so the Democrats in Congress need to pass a new law.

There "will" be legislation, but beyond mental health checks (ALL of the mass killers during the Obama years have been crazier than ****house rats) and school security standards, I don't know what the Republicans can agree on.

(* Washington DC and New York City have some of the highest per capita numbers of psychiatrists, anywhere. Could that have anything to do with the Democrat's attempts to gloss over the mental health problems that have been obvious in all the killers?)

 

[AlexanderA]

So they make ARs subject to NFA. So now people are subject to the mercy of the Chief LEO to own said weapon. Plus some folks live in areas where ARs are legal, but NFA weapons aren't...

From what I read, ATF already has something in the works to change the CLEO signoff requirement to a mere CLEO "notification." (It seems they want to make the use of trusts less attractive.) This could simply be mandated in any new legislation.

State restrictions have their own definitions, and don't blanket outlaw "all NFA weapons."

I imagine that military-style semiautomatics brought under the NFA would be under their own category (analogous to the current "Any Other Weapon") and would not be lumped in with machine guns.

To make this work, there would have to be a huge increase in staffing at the ATF NFA Branch, a big investment in computerization, as well as an initial general registration amnesty with a reasonably long duration.

 

[B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian]

lol, on one hand, I'm waiting for people to forget all about those dusty old revolvers, that aren't high capacity....might be some sweet deals in the next few weeks as people ignore them in favor of the bottom feeders.

Quiet, sir. I'm currently working a trade for a no dash 696...going to cost me a Cetme.

 

[W.E.G.]

Let's hope this all blows over with minimal restrictions on our 2nd Amendment.

Here's a condensed version of what Chuck Schumer said today about that:

All he wants is a "middle ground."
...and when the end is eroded, he will want the middle ground again,... and again...

Other than OUR rights, what is Chuck willing to give up?


(from http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e36a98-4964-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_story.html)
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A middle ground on gun limits

By Charles E. Schumer, Published: December 19

Charles E. Schumer, a Democrat, represents New York in the Senate.

Since the massacre at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary School, many are wondering whether this tragedy might finally provoke action on guns.

The answer is, it could. The reason may surprise gun-control activists.

A post-Newtown examination of our gun laws would be the country’s first such effort since the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller…. embracing the ruling could actually create a new paradigm for gun control….

…Now that Heller has ruled out the possibility of anyone ever taking away their weapons, gun owners should be more open to some reasonable limitations. No individual right is absolute, after all. While the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, no one has a right to falsely shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater…

We need to refine those limits in the wake of what happened in Newtown.

The guns issue will remain thorny, but Heller points the way toward a possible compromise, under a new paradigm. All of us — especially progressives — should embrace it.