Springfield 1903 Question

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I have always wanted a Springfield 1903 bolt action rifle, but I am picky with the overall condition of surplus military rifles online. They usually are in ghastly condition, and the decent looking ones are always sold immediately. I am hoping to find one with a new criterion barrel, with a new wood stock and refinished metal components. I recently bought an M1 Garand that was fixed up with those exact upgrades/repairs, and I love it. It looks 100% brand new, and shoots like a dream! Does anyone know where one might find such a rifle? I have seen only one that matched my statement, but it was a left over page from a previous sale from long ago.
 
The one that I previously mentioned was identical to that model, plus it came with a period correct scope & sling.
 
That's a pretty specific ask. I think that Sarco salvaged some 1903 drill rifle receivers and restored them with aftermarket barrels and stocks in the past. Of course, Gibbs made 1903A4's from drill receivers also with new barrels, wood, and Malcom scopes. Look on Gunbroker and one will turn up from time to time.

The one that I previously mentioned was identical to that model, plus it came with a period correct scope & sling.

That sounds like a Gibbs 1903A4.

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Not a very good picture and the Malcom scope has been replaced with a Weaver K2.5. She's a shooter!

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Not sure why you require a new barrel and stock. Plenty of very nice 1903s out there with original barrels and wood. Keep looking and you'll find a good one.
If only because I want it to look 100% new. I personally don't care for the aged appearance of parts. I know it adds "character", but that only applies to wear & tear that I myself add. Unless I could find an original with 95% perfect metal and wood, it would be a no go for me. The last 1903 I saw with almost 100% perfect metal/wood & a 9-10/10 barrel was 6k, while these refurbished rifles are only 2k or so.
 
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That's a pretty specific ask. I think that Sarco salvaged some 1903 drill rifle receivers and restored them with aftermarket barrels and stocks in the past. Of course, Gibbs made 1903A4's from drill receivers also with new barrels, wood, and Malcom scopes. Look on Gunbroker and one will turn up from time to time.



That sounds like a Gibbs 1903A4.

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Not a very good picture and the Malcom scope has been replaced with a Weaver K2.5. She's a shooter!

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This definitely looks up to my speed for what I want. I will keep an eye out! Thanks!
 
but I am picky with the overall condition of surplus military rifles online.
And you probably should be.
Now, I've seen several at several of the local gun shows (being in the DFW area of north Texas means having a selection of those). The really nice ones are running about US$800 on the tag (what they would haggle for, I don't know).
Every so often a cache will pop up for sale of a dozen or twenty, and those get bought up pretty quickly.

Neither the 1903 nor the 03A3 were much distributed a Military Aid or Lend/Lease items. So, barring a Boot Camp surplus, most seem to have decent barrels. And while online pundits will often poo-poo the two groove 03A3 barrels, those seems to be quite satisfactory in actual use.

I've had a few, like this Sedgely-barreled 1903
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And my fave, a 1943 SC 03A3
(which I cannot present find photos of--vexing that)

The 03A3 were produced in some quantity, but not issued in quantity--not compared to the 1903 and 1903A1 converted to grenade launching use.
The aperture sights right aft on the receiver bridge are very easy for modern shooter to use (that ladder sight on the 1903 needs a book, as there's a notch, a triangle hole, and teeny peep hole in the ladder sight, and a "point blank" -275yd, IIRC--notch for use when folded).
 
And you probably should be.
Now, I've seen several at several of the local gun shows (being in the DFW area of north Texas means having a selection of those). The really nice ones are running about US$800 on the tag (what they would haggle for, I don't know).
Every so often a cache will pop up for sale of a dozen or twenty, and those get bought up pretty quickly.

Neither the 1903 nor the 03A3 were much distributed a Military Aid or Lend/Lease items. So, barring a Boot Camp surplus, most seem to have decent barrels. And while online pundits will often poo-poo the two groove 03A3 barrels, those seems to be quite satisfactory in actual use.

I've had a few, like this Sedgely-barreled 1903
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And my fave, a 1943 SC 03A3
(which I cannot present find photos of--vexing that)

The 03A3 were produced in some quantity, but not issued in quantity--not compared to the 1903 and 1903A1 converted to grenade launching use.
The aperture sights right aft on the receiver bridge are very easy for modern shooter to use (that ladder sight on the 1903 needs a book, as there's a notch, a triangle hole, and teeny peep hole in the ladder sight, and a "point blank" -275yd, IIRC--notch for use when folded).
Unfortunately I don't go to many guns shows or bashes, so most of my browsing is done online. Gun shops in my area never have older firearms. They only seem to care about stocking new/tacticool weapons. :/
 
The oldest gun I have seen was a late 70s Browning Auto 5 in terrible condition, and a Kar98k that was undated. Also in horrible condition.
 
I have three 1903 Springfield rifles that match your description, unfortunately none of them are for sale. I have had them for about 25 years. I bought them from local collections that were being liquidated through a local gun smith who was known to deal in a lot of quality military surplus. If you have a local dealer there are benefits to frequenting his establishment and doing a regular business with him.
 
Given enough money, and enough time, you will find what you are looking for. I do not recommend taking an original military rifle with a good barrel and replacing the barrel with a criterion barrel. There will be a loss in collector's value and it will cost an additional $300 to $400 for the new barrel.

I did build up a M1903A3 from a stripped receiver and installed a criterion barrel. The criterion barrel was superior to any military barrel I have had on any 03 or A3. Military barrels were either worn, or wartime barrels that were not that accurate.

Sometimes you have to build a rifle from parts. I had the Remington receiver, and it took years to find all Remington parts, (with the exception I wanted a pistol grip stock) to build a faux early WW2 Remington M1903. Barrel was new, never installed till I put it on the receiver.

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I purchased two new early Remington M1903 smooth bolts at a Gun Store in Orange County. Both had the same bolt root stampings, one also had a R stamped on the bolt root. I used the none R stamped bolt to build the rifle. I figure the R stamped bolt would be worth more if I ever sold it as I would not have to prove it was a Remington early M1903.

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These five shots were in the black, but the rifle would not hold the ten ring at 200 yards.

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back in the day, to shoot a perfect score, all you had to do was hold the black.

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Expectations that every M1903 would shoot sub MOA are unrealistic. That full length stock with a pressure point at the tip is a poor design for target shooting. However, they did that to put a bayonet on the thing. One real period problem was bullets. Modern match bullets have jackets with even sidewalls and are hollowpoints. It is my opinion that older bullets were not as concentric, so given the center of gravity was going to be outside the axis of rotation, they would wobble.
 
Given enough money, and enough time, you will find what you are looking for. I do not recommend taking an original military rifle with a good barrel and replacing the barrel with a criterion barrel. There will be a loss in collector's value and it will cost an additional $300 to $400 for the new barrel.

I did build up a M1903A3 from a stripped receiver and installed a criterion barrel. The criterion barrel was superior to any military barrel I have had on any 03 or A3. Military barrels were either worn, or wartime barrels that were not that accurate.

Sometimes you have to build a rifle from parts. I had the Remington receiver, and it took years to find all Remington parts, (with the exception I wanted a pistol grip stock) to build a faux early WW2 Remington M1903. Barrel was new, never installed till I put it on the receiver.

R3XdEoW.jpg



9HOa5DJ.jpg


I purchased two new early Remington M1903 smooth bolts at a Gun Store in Orange County. Both had the same bolt root stampings, one also had a R stamped on the bolt root. I used the none R stamped bolt to build the rifle. I figure the R stamped bolt would be worth more if I ever sold it as I would not have to prove it was a Remington early M1903.

BlD8w1Z.jpg



e5eFV1g.jpg


Vd7H9EG.jpg



FL3P2pN.jpg



These five shots were in the black, but the rifle would not hold the ten ring at 200 yards.

LEIvE6k.jpg


back in the day, to shoot a perfect score, all you had to do was hold the black.

FQ7ihau.jpg


YIg9ddA.jpg




Expectations that every M1903 would shoot sub MOA are unrealistic. That full length stock with a pressure point at the tip is a poor design for target shooting. However, they did that to put a bayonet on the thing. One real period problem was bullets. Modern match bullets have jackets with even sidewalls and are hollowpoints. It is my opinion that older bullets were not as concentric, so given the center of gravity was going to be outside the axis of rotation, they would wobble.

Thanks for the information! I don't intend to buy an original and modify it. It would hurt my soul to do so myself.
 
It sounds like you want something a bit like my M1 'project' rifle. The base rifle was a Blue Sky import from Korea with a horrible stock, worn barrel and a couple more minor defects. All the other metal parts were in good shape, though the Parkerizing was a mix of mostly green with a few black.

I replaced the stock and small parts and then had the CMP custom shop rebarrel it for me with a Criterion barrel in 7.62x51. The Parkerizing mix doesn't bother me at all -- it now has the look of a fresh arsenal refurb.

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My '03 is still as-purchased. The receiver is dates to 1918, but has a 1942 barrel and new-condition replacement 'scant' stock. Bore looks virtually new. My suspicion is that it was refurbed during the war by Remington, put into reserve and kept there until finally surplused. Again, there are a couple of black Parkerized bits, but on the whole the rifle seems quite newish.

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Hso,
I checked that site, and they have some M1903A4's with scope and sling for 2.5k
 
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It sounds like you want something a bit like my M1 'project' rifle. The base rifle was a Blue Sky import from Korea with a horrible stock, worn barrel and a couple more minor defects. All the other metal parts were in good shape, though the Parkerizing was a mix of mostly green with a few black.

I replaced the stock and small parts and then had the CMP custom shop rebarrel it for me with a Criterion barrel in 7.62x51. The Parkerizing mix doesn't bother me at all -- it now has the look of a fresh arsenal refurb.

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My '03 is still as-purchased. The receiver is dates to 1918, but has a 1942 barrel and new-condition replacement 'scant' stock. Bore looks virtually new. My suspicion is that it was refurbed during the war by Remington, put into reserve and kept there until finally surplused. Again, there are a couple of black Parkerized bits, but on the whole the rifle seems quite newish.

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Beautiful rifles! I wish my friends liked classic guns, and didn't just drool over modern tactical bs.
 
I checked that site
Yeah, CMP sold the last of their 03A3 decades ago, and really only has some of the last 03A4s around (and most are legit wartime collectables, hence the price).

Here's an upcoming auction lot at RIA that caught my eye:
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/2081/348/two-u.s.-springfield-model-1903-bolt-action-rifles
Now, if the budget isn't an issue, this could be right up your alley.

The 300WM sporter is likely no longer a candidate for military restoration, which means it's an excellent (possibly) starting place for a custom build.
The other rifle only really has a competition peep sight added, which was very common going back to the 30s. That's a very nice Type "C" stock on the 30-06.
My other notion was to bid on the pair, and, if won, keep the better one and sell the other.

The real key, I have found, is to wait and be patient. My LGS got in an estate consignment of four 1903, running from as issued to "extra glam."
 
I have an SA 1903 from 1922, with star gauged barrel. Love to shoot it and wish I could find a replacement barrel for it.

Doubt I will ever find someone with a stash of barrels from 1922. If I ever have to rebarrel it, I will keep the original one.

It's a great old rifle, with a lot of character, built in from 100+ years of life.
 
Beautiful rifles! I wish my friends liked classic guns, and didn't just drool over modern tactical bs.

Sadly, my circle just keeps getting smaller. My buddy Eric sold me father-in-law's '03 about a year before cancer took him from us, and while Jim remains quite lively after I bought his Garand, he's since transitioned to a motorized wheelchair.

And neither of them are that much older than me!
 
I have always wanted a Springfield 1903 bolt action rifle, but I am picky with the overall condition of surplus military rifles online. They usually are in ghastly condition, and the decent looking ones are always sold immediately. I am hoping to find one with a new criterion barrel, with a new wood stock and refinished metal components. I recently bought an M1 Garand that was fixed up with those exact upgrades/repairs, and I love it. It looks 100% brand new, and shoots like a dream! Does anyone know where one might find such a rifle? I have seen only one that matched my statement, but it was a left over page from a previous sale from long ago.
I got my M1917 and M1903 off of GunsInternational. I just waited for a specimen I liked and then inquired with the seller about the rifle and asked several questions. Both rifles have nice stocks and excellent original barrels and both shoot sub-MOA. They were not expensive but I didn't get them for cheap. If you want a good original/rebuilt specimen, then you have to be willing to spend some money. $400 bucks ain't gonna get you anything decent but you don't need to spend $1500 either. If you really want a refurbished gun with new parts, then buy a crummy one and refinish the stock and buy a new barrel.
 
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