Springfield M-1A1 with GI fiberglass stock

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I have an M-1A1 service grade which I have had for 24+ years… safe queen. Just added a Springfield flash suppressor with bayo lug. I have a pristine Gi fiberglass stock. It fits but there is the hole on the right side for the selector. Fulton armory does not make the non selector plug to fill the gap. Is the stock good to shoot without the hole being filled? Hickcock 45 had a wood GI stock with the hole not filled. Thanks
 
The “forceman” kit is no longer available. The fiberglass stock appears to have a bigger hole than the GI wood one I have. Thanks Jim
 
I preferr my fiberglass stock to the walnut stock for sheer durability and a pound or so lighter.
The stock works fine with the selector cutout, and f you want to close it, some Bondo or other filler can be filled and filed there, to keep crap, mud, sand or snow out of the action.
Ive had snow packed to tightly in my action before that the bolt only went 1/2 way back. I filled it then with drilling 2 pin holes. placed two wires in it and formed the Bondo around them and set to cure. Then I filed it and spray painted the stock to match the season.
 
Here's my early "Devine" M1A, showing the walnut plug I made for the selector hole, as part of glass bedding of the action. (That was a pre-routed NM stock.) The scope mount is an army-contract Brookfield Precision, identical to the current Sadlak mount except that it doesn't have regularly-spaced Picatinny grooves. The iron sights are NM.

I have two additional stocks for this gun: a GI walnut stock with the selector cutout, and a Boyds target stock without the cutout. I don't use the target stock because it's too "fat" for the bipod to fold up flush against it.
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Here's the front of the rifle, showing the M2 bipod and the M14A1 slip-over compensator:
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I would suggest doing as the army did, and substitute a slotless fiberglass handguard. The slots allow heat waves to mess up your sight picture.
 
There is a fella on the m14 forum "bandanabandit" that sells kits.
Those are fake selector kits. Those fill the hole in the stock, and although legal, they could draw unwanted attention from LE.

The M1A is potentially more accurate than the M14, because the wider right-side receiver rail imparts more stiffness. Make the most of this by bedding it solidly to the stock. The dummy selector is the opposite of this.
 
Those are fake selector kits. Those fill the hole in the stock, and although legal, they could draw unwanted attention from LE.

The M1A is potentially more accurate than the M14, because the wider right-side receiver rail imparts more stiffness. Make the most of this by bedding it solidly to the stock. The dummy selector is the opposite of this.

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I went through Army basic training in 1967 using an M-14. The selector switches had been removed from all our rifles, probably a third had the plastic stock.

Hundreds of rounds were fired, the guns no doubt had thousands of rounds through them from previous training cycles. Concerning the stocks, firing them without the selector switch was a non issue, no stocks failed.
 
I picked up a couple of nice walnut and fiberglass GI M14 stocks off of Fred's about 20 years ago. The glass stocks I painted, and the walnut stocks just needed a little BLO.

I did have one of the dummy selectors on one gun before I sold it. It filled the notch and looked OK, but for the money, it was kind of cheap, and other than plugging the notch, really kind of a waste. Never had an issue with the couple of other guns that didnt have the plug and they were shot a lot.

I wouldn't worry too much about anyone giving you grief over the dummy. It was non functional anyway, and just what it was, a dummy that plugged a hole. No one ever said anything to me about it, and most people dont have a clue anyway, and if they did, they'd know you'd need the linkage for it to work anyway.

This is one of the glass stocks Id painted with Aluma Hyde II. If you were to paint the stock, filling the notch(s) would be easily done.

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Springfield screwed the pooch with what they were calling their "factory stock" on the SOCOM's. The reality was, they screwed up GI stocks by grinding off the molded in checkering, making the grip and forend thin and slippy. They did fill the notch too before they painted it. They swore they weren't, but right after a couple of mags when new, and the black paint was chipping off from the brass hitting it, and that "GI Brown" was showing through. Luckily, Fred's still had a good selection and they were cheap too. The glass stocks with a handguard were around $20, and the walnut, around $45.

If youre looking to update your M1A, these are a handy things to add too. This one is from Smith Enterprise.

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The M14 is the last of the classic "wood and metal" service rifles. Aesthetically, this calls for a walnut stock. Originally, my early M1A came with a fiberglass stock. I got rid of it as soon as I could find a proper replacement. It just didn't seem right. I now have three walnut stocks to choose from.

Putting a plastic stock on the rifle will not turn it into a "modern" gun. It's mid-20th century technology. (A year from now, my M1A will officially be a "curio or relic.")
 
No doubt a nice, properly oiled walnut stock looks better, but I think for year-round shooting in all weather, and/or an active use gun, the glass stocks are your better choice.
 
No doubt a nice, properly oiled walnut stock looks better, but I think for year-round shooting in all weather, and/or an active use gun, the glass stocks are your better choice.
That raises the question of whether an M1A should be your primary-use gun. The AR family (AR-15 or AR-10, depending on the caliber needed) would be a better choice. Probably cheaper, too. I have all sorts of weapons. The M1A would be one of the last I would pick if I really needed one for use. It fills a niche in my military collection.
 
That raises the question of whether an M1A should be your primary-use gun. The AR family (AR-15 or AR-10, depending on the caliber needed) would be a better choice. Probably cheaper, too. I have all sorts of weapons. The M1A would be one of the last I would pick if I really needed one for use. It fills a niche in my military collection.

Why? (Serious question - I really am not up to speed on the M1A.)
 
It fills a niche in my military collection.
Ditto.
I would take the M1A out to range days, or Service Rifle matches, precisely because is wanted the extra effort to really shoot well. As more of a demonstration of technical expertise.

Why? (Serious question
M14 was expected to be too many things. War Department started with a simple "ask"--Garand with a magazine.
Then, in 1947, we get the Department of Defense, so, different cats were in charge of the yarn balls.
Then, we had a dust-up in Korea from 1950 to 1953, where a bunch of or retreads and "would have beens" were exposed to a very new sort of combat.

Enter in the "Whiz Kids" at DoD. They got it in their heads that the "new rifle" would replace the M3 Grease gun, the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine, and the M1918 BAR, all in one rifle. All while a bunch of European folk were talking about that "sensible" 7.9x33 mauser round, and "intermediate" became a buzz word. And weight-and-quantity of ammo had been demonstrated as an actual combat "thing." What with all the materiel that had been drug up and down the length of the Korean Peninsula, three times in as many years.

So, we wind up with the "compromise" round, the 7.62x51nato to replace four other ammunition types. So, all of that was why the M-14 had a 13 year gestation period (officially, closer to 16 years in reality). This step child was meant to keep as many Garand things as it could (as a cost saving and as a familiarization "thing"), but be very different from a Garand. Oh, and can we bolt a scope on it, too? And launch grenades? And be a machine gun? And a Carbine, please?

All of this is why it has oddities. Like a stripper clip loading bridge, a "topping off" feature on the list since the 40s. And retained as a scope mounting point. Stripper clips were retained to make packing ammo bandoliers "easier" and with a "shoe" meant to go over the magazines to aid in rapid reloading in the field (despite the already proven notion of disposable magazines).

All of that work and effort, to be In Service 1962 to 1965.

Failings are all over the place. There's rather a huge hole into the receiver as a result of the long throw action. Not an issue on a neat & clean KD range. Less good in muddy places or around snow or swamps. The op rod and bolt really do not have that many precision points of contact. That was a plus on the Garand. For fullauto fire, you really want more precision on exactly where the bolt and rod run.

So it was a lousy Carbine, a terrible SMG, hopeless as a BAR and there were just too many compromises to make it a decent rifle. In competition, the FAL easily left it in the dust. "Not made here" just not being permissible. The AR-10 was a better rifle to the task, too--even with its peccadilloes and warts.

As a 4-6 MOA battle rifle, it's suitable. It can be "dialed in" to be a decent High Power rifle for competition. But, with more than little bit of effort and determination.

I'm likely biased in this, and I'll admit it too.
 
That raises the question of whether an M1A should be your primary-use gun. The AR family (AR-15 or AR-10, depending on the caliber needed) would be a better choice. Probably cheaper, too. I have all sorts of weapons. The M1A would be one of the last I would pick if I really needed one for use. It fills a niche in my military collection.
I agree. Ive owned a number of them, in a number of different configurations, and at this point, no longer have even one. Dont have an M1 anymore either, and Ive had a number of those as well. Shot both pretty heavily in local DCM and military type matches back in the 80's and 90's and did OK with both.

Both are OK rifles for what they are, but really not the guns of mythical status they seem to have acquired.
 
Both are OK rifles for what they are, but really not the guns of mythical status they seem to have acquired.

Actually, the M1 WWII service rifle deserved the "mythical status" rating. Both Germany and Japan had bolt-action rifles as their primary service rifles. Our guys could put 8 rounds into or near (most likely) the target while the enemy troops were busy working their bolt-actions. The M1 was also quicker to load for another 8 cartridges in short order.
The ammo was heavier and a .308 round would have been just as serviceable but the War Dept. had lots of .30-06 on hand so that was what was used.

Take into account the times and the technology before you berate the M1 service rifle. It deserves the accolades that have been attributed to it.
 
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