Aluminum M-14 Stocks?

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First post. Long winded.

A friend attending the SHOT show last year talked to someone who said they would be making aluminum M-14E2-type stocks with the Picatinny rails and bipod built in.

For the uninformed, the M-14E2 was the straight stock with the pistol grip variant of the M-14. :D

The aluminum would be much lighter and trimmer than the rather massive -E2 stocks. Have neither heard nor seen anything about this in my internet wanderings.

I know Fred's has the-E2s, but they are heavy, expensive and wood. http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/stocks.asp

I find this extremely interesting, having shot 8 or 10 thousand rounds through competition Springfield M1As and my Main Battle Rifle if the SHTF is a rack grade M1A. I am not in a position to buy one of the AR-15s on steroids (AR-10s and the like), so this may be a good compromise.

Seems that this may also help remedy the objections seen in these forums to scoping the M-14/M1A because of the poor head position the standard stock offers, even with the leather "sniper" pad. With a scope, one could also use it as a sniper weapon in a rural combat environment. Wouldn't be too bad in the city, either.

In addition, if you read "Boston's Gun Bible" he contends that the right hand does most of the work with a MBR and should have a pistol grip for ergonomics.

One issue would be the stability of the aluminum vice fiberglass. Would heat/cold cause zeros to shift? Anybody have experience with the commercially available aluminum stocks for other rifles?

Sounds too good to be true but it just might provide much of the versatility of the AR-15 with the hitting power of the 7.62mm at a more reasonable cost than the AR-10, etc. This would be an even more agile weapon in the "Scout" configuration.
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Thoughts? Has anyone else heard or seen anything like this?

Has anyone seen a fiberglass -E2 stock? I haven't.

Appreciate any info.

Best Regards,

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You mean something like this?

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or this?

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Sorry, Gale, but I figured you wouldn't mind the plug, it was easier for me to post than you, anyway. ;)
 
Yea, that is what they look like.

Many thanks, couldn't find a picture to add to my post.

Never shot an M1A in that configuration, but it LOOKS good!

:)

Where did you find those?

Regards,
 
I like the design of the McMillan stocks (raised comb) but they're too stinking heavy.

I'd be VERY interested in this stock.
 
well ain't that cool...

.. I had som'n similar on the drawing board last fall as well... decided to put it on hold and work up to som'n that complex though. Guess its true ideas never come to one person at once. :)

Sounds like it'll be interesting.
Anyone know who the manufacturer is?

-K
 
Good lord, Skunk have you handled many M1A's? The oiled walnut stocks weigh within half a pound of what the McMillan fiberglass ones do, but the fiberglass is far more inert. Former coworker who'd been in VietNam in the Marines during the transition from M14s to M16's said that his only gripe about the M14s was that the stocks would get saturated with water and swell during the rainy season, causing them to shoot all over. So, to alleviate this, they'd carve out the stocks, which worked great... until the dry season set in, and then the actions wobbled and clunked in the stocks.

I'm thinking about how COLD aluminum stocks would feel in the winter. Brings new dimension to the concept of "Cheek Weld" at 10 F.
 
Thanks for all of your responses to my first post. You were most kind.

I made some calls and web-searches today and have some more info.

(Should have done this first, I know :banghead: )

The manufacturer of which I spoke in my original post is Mike Rock of Rock Creek Barrels, Inc. His web address is:

http://www.rockcreekbarrels.com/ .

He said that he will formally introduce the stocks to the civilian market at the Orlando, FL SHOT show. He claims that he has an order for 3,000 from the Philippine Army and has been making them for the U. S. Military. The marketing agents will be himself and Basher Tactical at: http://www.basher-tactical.com/contact.htm

Here is the gist of what he told me when I spoke to him today. Nice guy, real informative and enthusiastic.

At the request of the military, he worked on the development of an M-14 Arctic replacement for the M-16. He called it "Spec Op Peculiar Mods". They wanted something that would hit harder than the 5.56mm, especially in heavy clothing.

They also wanted something lighter and handier. Finally, the operators don't like the SR-25 much. Not as reliable as the M-14.

So, he developed an aluminum M-14 collapsing stock, attached an M-16 pistol grip with, get this, the gas system flush with the stock at three o'clock position with a straight op rod and shorter stroke.

The stock itself has picatinny rails at 9, 6 and 3 o'clock. It will accept barrels as short as 11 inches. It accepts the receiver in the normal manner but the trigger group is glass bedded because of the various dimension variances between trigger groups prevents a consistent lockup.

The barrel is free-floating in the sense that this setup eliminates the front stock/barrel stress point in the manner of the M-14s.

He maintains that he can get 5/8" groups at 300 yards. :confused:

He also said that there is no muzzle climb in full auto. The gas system retains the cut off so you can have complete quiet with a suppressor and sub-sonic ammo.

This is, obviously, not a drop in stock but a conversion. He needs only the receiver, bolt, gas system, op rod, and trigger group.

I neglected to get the weight of the completed rifle, unfortunately.

Finally, cost: $1,680 with your parts.

He said there were pictures at www.snipercountry.com. but I could not find them. He also promised me pictures and I will post them upon receipt.

That is all I have right now.

Interesting development of the tried and true M-14 system. If what he says is true, one might have a weapon compact enough to CQB capable, as well as reaching out and touching the bad guys at 500 yards or more.

Regards,

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3/8 MOA at 300 yds would be impressive. 3/8" at 300 yds would be, roughly 1/8 MOA.

Um....

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Yea, I found that to be an extraordinary statement. Maybe I heard wrong, but that is why I put the :confused: Smily after that statement.

5/8" at 100 yard seems more likely with that type weapon.

Regards.

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