Springfield Micro Saga

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Had one of our members bring me a spankin' new GI Micro to go over before he leaves for the badlands of Gulfport on a mission...and I've run into a few problems.

The gun feeds well enough as long as the extractor tension is kept fairly light...not enough to provide reliable extraction and consistent ejection. Just a little more tension and failures to go to battery from slidelock show up. The factory magazine worse than one of mine...but still a little sluggish. No problem during live-fire, even with the mag topped off...but still a concern.

The extractor and slide have a slight spec issue, which required modification to the nose of the extractor to get it off the forward angle of the extractor groove, but I've run into this with a few Springers. A Colt extractor was better, but still had to be modified. Finally went with a new Brown hardcore
with lightly tweaked pads and hook. Extractor tension is now good, and feeding is better...but not quite what I like to see. The fully ramped barrel
prevents much adjustment beyond smoothing the top corner to relieve some of the stem bind.

The other part of the problem is that...unless I get a grip on the gun that nearly crushes the grip frame, the gun short-cycles, causing either erratic,
weak ejection, or failure to eject, with the empty case hung up horizontally in the port. Casual, two-hand grip...it's Choke City. Grab it like I'm tryin' to hold a bull 'gator's jaws shut, and the gun functions, though ejection is still a bit weak/erratic.

The recoil system seems to be a cross between the old Detonics system, and the Sprinco design. The inner spring is captive, and since I can't tell whether the guide rod flange is pressed on or threaded on, I can't take it apart to trim the spring. If anybody knows, I'd appreciate the information.

I tried installing a firing pin stop with a high hammer contact point and a large radius, which helped a little...but the slide is just too badly over-sprung to provide full travel with enough authority to kick the empties clear of the port.
The outer spring is too short for any adjustment, so I've removed the system...taken the outer spring off...and have the inner spring fully compressed in hopes that it'll take a set and reduce the strength a little. later, I'll rig up a fixture that I can use to cycle the spring a few hundred times to weaken it a little.

I don't know how much shorter these designers expect to be able to go on the 1911 design and still expect'em to work. I suppose that next, we'll see
one so short that the bullet nose stickin' out of the muzzle will double as a "Loaded Round Indicator"... :rolleyes:

Just when I had the 3.75-inch guns figgered out, they throw me a curve...again! :cuss: :banghead:

The other thing that jumped out was that the 6-round magazine had a follower with the dimple located so close to the rear that the last round would only move forward about .050 inch or so before the rim grabs it...
and it grabs it hard, since the dimple is also about twice the normal height.
Doesn't seem to hurt anything, and feeds fine...as does one of my short mags with the dimple in the normal location...Strange. Only thing I can figure is that the recoil forces are so violent that the dimple had to be relocated and enlarged to adequately control the last round.

I'll keep tryin' and update...but this one ain't gonna be ready to go to Gulfport tomorrow...Sorry Joe.
 
Tuner, tell Joe he's welcome to take my Defender with him. Seriously, its ready to go if he wants it have him call me/email and I'll check my mail this afternoon. Might even be going down to Concord area this evening and could meet him with it. Tell him to PM me with a phone nr.
 
The Old Fuff will refrain from further caustic comments because apparently some folks are not comfortable with his opinions. He will observe however that the concept of ultra-snubby big-bore pistols is very popular these days, and manufacturers are in the business to sell product, whether it works or not. :scrutiny:
 
Fluff, you are quite right, When I need a big bore snubbie, revolver is the only way to go. That is my two cents. ;)
 
Tuner,ul

Tuner and UL,appreciate everything you've done and offered.I'm taking my gov't 1911 and my xd9.I got a holster this morning that hides the 1911 pretty darn good,even on my skinny butt.Both of them are 100%.I'll try to send some photos/updates depending on what kind of communication sources we have. Thanks Joe
 
Dang it Joe, was thinking you might love that Defender so much you'd want to keep it! :D

Bought it thinking I'm make a carry outta it, but have since found that I prefer to stick a gun down the waistband of my britches (bet old Full knows what that word is) and the Defender is a mite short for that. Instead, have come to like my 100 year old Colt '03 which fits better. :)

With cool wx coming on I'm thinking of trying a Yakaui (sp) type holster and trying it out with my Defender, or more likely, a recently purchased LW Colt Commander.
 
UL,when I get back I may have to talk to ya about it.However,there's a compact springfield on gunbroker,auction ends tomorrow-officer frame/champion slide,if your'e feeling charitable you can bid on it for me up to 400.00 and if ya win I'll pay ya when I get back. :)
 
Y'know, so many people have supposedly had problems with the shorty "1911's" (i.e. SA Micros, Kimber Ultras, etc.) that I was hesitant to buy a mint Series I Kimber Ultra but I have to say that I am VERY impressed with the little gun. No matter what ammo I put through it, I have NO reliability problems at all. Very satisfied with it. My only concern is the velocity loss and reliable expansion with hollow-points, but you can't have everything, can you?
 
Shorties

Howdy Harold,

Your experience reflects that of many. Some of'em run...Some of'em don't...and when they don't, get ready for an ordeal most of the time.

Reminds me of that little poem:

"There was a little girl who had a curl, in the middle of her forehead.
When she was good, she was very good.
But when she was bad...she was horrid."

:D
 
Since I live 1/4 mile from Tuners range, if I hear loud cussing instead of gun blasts I'll know whats going on.
 
johnny , don't feel bad about it if'n it don't work nohow...

you know my micro fired 3 rnds before i returned it to davidsons for a refund ...
bad extractor and mags right out of the box , had to use a 7 rnd mag just to get it to feed those 3 rnds...(none of which extracted)
no more sub 5" 1911s for me , it ain't worth the grief ...
on the other hand , there is no guarantee that anything is right from the factory anymore , my pile of reject parts from the WW2 is growing with every pass of the calipers ...
think i'll call denny at home and ask him wth is going on with his vendors ...
 
I think I'll sneak down and take some digital pics of Tuner with the Micro; would like to get the shot of him flinging it downrange........then I'll let him have my Defender to shoot awhile.

Tuner, you haven't seen my LW Commander that I got last week. One day when you got time I'd appreciate it if you'd give it the ole "Tuner Tune-up" check. Only shot it a little just to see if it functioned but will put a few more thru it in a day or two.

A buddy bought a WW1 colt at Charlotte sunday and then let a parts man mess swap out the link cause the rear of the slide & frame wasn't lined up. Its been parked and has later barrel but frame and slide appear to be original to each other.
 
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Bring that ol' Commander on up here, Ted. Ya might not leave here with it... :D

Well...I guess it's back to the :cuss: :banghead: drawin' board. The little blaster is a lot better, but I still ain't satisfied with it. No failures to eject/extract, though still a little on the lazy side. Occasional feed/RTB
with the factory magazine...None with any of mine.

The ramp is too steep to feed like it oughta, so I came home and *ahem* altered it slightly at the top third. Lost just a bit of case head support in the process, but I've seen much worse on factory barrels. Headspace is the closest of any factory gun I've ever seen, so that gave me a little leeway.

Shaved another .003 inch off the breechface guide...side opposite the extractor...reduced the front pad, and cranked in a little more tension. Had to take another swipe or three off the nose of the hook to get it further off the forward part of the case extractor groove. Specs, Springfield. SPECS! :rolleyes: (Gimme a break here. This is the fourth one.)

Played with the OEM magazine a little to get it to release the round earlier...
opened the follower angle a little, and installed a standard Metalform stainless follower. Feeding is now smooth and sure, and all rounds will slide into the chamber from both mags with a one-finger push on the back of the slide...with the recoil system removed. Dang thing oughta feed NOW! :fire:
Extractor tension is about as good as it gets.

Next test-fire is scheduled for Friday, weather permittin', Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. :cool:
 
Of course this fine pistol did pass the factory's final inspection didn't it??? ... Well didn't it ....?? :banghead:
 
Of course they inspect it - after the sun's gone down, and in a room with no lights or windows (security you know) ... :rolleyes:

And they wave when it goes out the door too ... :neener: :evil:
 
i think the final solution should be ...

pack it in C4 cover with 8-10 tons of hadpacked clay dirt , and detonate ... then use compressed micro as a paperweight... :neener:
 
Tuner, if this was anyone but you I'd be quick to offer advice! As it is, I'm hesitant to even bring up the things I've encountered with the micro-guns...but some thoughts:

The cycle on these tiny guns is fast and violent. Because they're already right on the ragged edge of what's 'possible', the slightest thing can cause problems, things you'd never notice with a 5" gun. I noticed that-

-It helps if you polish the breechface WAY more than you think is necessary.
-Polishing the inside feed lips of the magazines lets it release a round faster.
-The 'incoming' side of the extractor is critical; you need it smoother and relieved more than on a 5" gun, since it has a shorter length of time to get over the rim of the case.
-Try running the gun with LESS spring than you think it needs, even if it's stuttering with a heavy spring; lowering the slide velocity can let some things happen smoother.
-The ejector has a much, much narrower range of correct length and angle. Very minor tweaks have major impact.
-You can sometimes check if slowing the slide down will help by lightly dragging a thumb on the slide while it fires; if it gets smoother cycling, you might want to try softening up the recoil spring.
-an EGW 'square' firing pin stop can change the dynamics of the slide's movement a great deal on these little guns; might be good, might be bad, but it's an option to keep in mind.

Well, I feel like I just gave a brain surgeon advice, so I'm going back to my corner to be quiet now. :)



Larry
 
Brainy Surgeon

LOL Larry...Yep. Done all that. I had to use a substitute recoil spring, since nobody that I know supplies one of reduced rating. (This is one strange-lookin' recoil system.) When I get this thing squared away, I'll post everything
that I had to do.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, and open myself up to derision, I owned a Micro for a few months.

I ended up sending it back to Springfield, and telling them to keep it.

Seems to me that that recoil system is threaded, and unscrews.

The flat part that looks sort of like a real guide rod comes off, and then you can get to all the springs.

It also comes off when you're shooting, and the whole thing vanishes downrange, too, and the spings twist in on themselves...

When that happens, you have to put it in a vice, and beat the slide off the frame with a rubber hammer. But don't think about that. I'm sure that won't happen to you, it didn't happen to me more than twice...

Okay, I have to go. Thinking about Micros gets me all worked up.

The only people I think should own Micros are people who are going to use them in a gunfight with me.
 
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