XD40EZO
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What are your thought?
Springfield XD40 vs. Walter P99 (.40)
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WhoKnowsWho
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Walter P99 (.40)
Pros:
A decocker, for people who like to carry decocked.
Switchable backstraps to adjust for different hands.
Very light, easy to reset trigger for followup shots.
Cocked indicator.
Loaded chamber indicator.
Range tests show very good accuracy.
It's a Walther! There is only one current Bond gun...
Cons:
Decocker for people who don't like them, and it's in a funny spot.
Some think the trigger is mushy.
No safety if people like a safety.
Loaded chamber indicator kinda hard to see in the dark.
It costs more than the XD
Mags are more expensive.
Springfield XD
Pros:
No extra controls to think about.
Has cocked indicator.
Has loaded chamber indicator, easy to feel.
One trigger action only.
Low price.
Lower priced mags.
Cons:
Combat accuracy, less than the Walther, but still easily acceptable.
No safety for people who like safeties.
No decocker for those people.
Blocky, only a visual thing.
Seems the finish has been iffy on the blued ones, visual.
My wife has the P99 in 9mm, and I have an XD in .40, I enjoy both and both fit my hand fine. Neither have had any malfunctions in about 200-300 rounds each.
Pros:
A decocker, for people who like to carry decocked.
Switchable backstraps to adjust for different hands.
Very light, easy to reset trigger for followup shots.
Cocked indicator.
Loaded chamber indicator.
Range tests show very good accuracy.
It's a Walther! There is only one current Bond gun...
Cons:
Decocker for people who don't like them, and it's in a funny spot.
Some think the trigger is mushy.
No safety if people like a safety.
Loaded chamber indicator kinda hard to see in the dark.
It costs more than the XD
Mags are more expensive.
Springfield XD
Pros:
No extra controls to think about.
Has cocked indicator.
Has loaded chamber indicator, easy to feel.
One trigger action only.
Low price.
Lower priced mags.
Cons:
Combat accuracy, less than the Walther, but still easily acceptable.
No safety for people who like safeties.
No decocker for those people.
Blocky, only a visual thing.
Seems the finish has been iffy on the blued ones, visual.
My wife has the P99 in 9mm, and I have an XD in .40, I enjoy both and both fit my hand fine. Neither have had any malfunctions in about 200-300 rounds each.
Marshall
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I looked at both and chose the XD. It felt better to me, pointed better to me was available with factory night sights and is simple yet safe. I thought the trigger was better too.
Todesengel
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I love my XD but the Walther P99 is the nicer gun! BTW; DA/SA with Decocker is NOT the only trigger Mode available - it's available also in DAO or SA (QA).
orangeninja
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I have to go with the Springfield.
One trigger action.
A grip safety which is safe but does not require concious thought to engage in stressful situations.
I could not get used to the Walther trigger, waaaayyyy mushy.
Accuracy is great, but shooting beyone 25 yards is nice at the range, downright unlikely in self defense.
XD is a better overall value.
Con: I do kind of worry about the finish...but know what? I still haven't seen one pitted from rust...it's a very forgiving finish.
One trigger action.
A grip safety which is safe but does not require concious thought to engage in stressful situations.
I could not get used to the Walther trigger, waaaayyyy mushy.
Accuracy is great, but shooting beyone 25 yards is nice at the range, downright unlikely in self defense.
XD is a better overall value.
Con: I do kind of worry about the finish...but know what? I still haven't seen one pitted from rust...it's a very forgiving finish.
Marshall
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Cure.......simply wipe it down when you put it away just as you should any gun you take care of. I agree with alduro, forgiving finish.
wally
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I've been looking at the P99, love the grip feel, not sure about the trigger.
What's the story about the QA? I understand the goal to have a uniform pull like a Glock for all shots, but it still has the decocker which as far as I can tell renders the gun useless until the slide is partially racked. Seems bizarre to me.
The DAO model has a uniformly awful trigger trigger pull so its easy for me to eliminate it from consideration.
Now that the ban has lifted I'll likely get one eventually, I wasn't really intrested in a gun that had $100 stnadard capacity mags, $60-70 for Para mags is where I drew the line.
--wally.
What's the story about the QA? I understand the goal to have a uniform pull like a Glock for all shots, but it still has the decocker which as far as I can tell renders the gun useless until the slide is partially racked. Seems bizarre to me.
The DAO model has a uniformly awful trigger trigger pull so its easy for me to eliminate it from consideration.
Now that the ban has lifted I'll likely get one eventually, I wasn't really intrested in a gun that had $100 stnadard capacity mags, $60-70 for Para mags is where I drew the line.
--wally.
Todesengel
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? What do you mean? There are enough places where you could get mags for 35 - 40 bucks.
ericphllps
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Been looking at both for a purchase and researched them extensively, but they are both newer guns so only time will tell on total reliablilty.
I choose to buy the Springfield beause it is just less complex and cheaper.
I like the grip safety. Single action is nice on a polymer with two safeties that are easily de-activated in a heated moment.
It is about $100 cheaper than the P99 and through reviews that I have read seems as accurate as most popular polymer guns, such as the glock.
It also has a Lifetime Warranty, which is always a bonus.
The finish is the downside and can be saved by applying some type of finish protector, I forget the name of it.
Honestly after researching the gun for hours on end, talking to people at various shops and ranges, I haven't heard one negative thing about it other than the finish.
Good luck and happy shooting
I choose to buy the Springfield beause it is just less complex and cheaper.
I like the grip safety. Single action is nice on a polymer with two safeties that are easily de-activated in a heated moment.
It is about $100 cheaper than the P99 and through reviews that I have read seems as accurate as most popular polymer guns, such as the glock.
It also has a Lifetime Warranty, which is always a bonus.
The finish is the downside and can be saved by applying some type of finish protector, I forget the name of it.
Honestly after researching the gun for hours on end, talking to people at various shops and ranges, I haven't heard one negative thing about it other than the finish.
Good luck and happy shooting
wally
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I was looking at the 9mm last sumer, and at the same gunshow that what the hicap 9mm mags asking prices were, so I passed on the gun. Now the S&W brand P99 mags are about $27.
Do you know what's up with the QA version and the decocker that seems to render the gun inopertive until the slide is partially racked?
--wally.
Todesengel
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Sorry, no Idea. I guess it's just an option to make the gun un-operable for gun-grabbers not familiar with the system. If I had one I just wouldn't use the decocker.
Did you already saw the new models with the Weaver-Rail and re-shaped trigger guard?
Not apples to apples but
I own a P99 in 9mm, and XD40 in .... well .40
I like the p99 in so many ways. I certainly shoot it better, but only have ~1000K thru the XD. I like the trigger A LOT more on the p99. Mines not mushy (XD is moreso, if at all). Glock triggers are mushy ...
P99 reset is shorter then XD. This makes it easier to shoot "at speed" (below .2 second splits). Better shape for carry (MUCH thinner). Full size mags used to be available for ~65 bucks but went up, but are now DOWN
Never had a problem with rust on the p99. I have had it start on the XD. (All day shoot, heavy dew after dark, by the time I had it home, it was "rusted" = very light surface rust. Not a big deal, I'll keep a cloths soaked in CLP in a baggie in my range bag from now on. But it's also something I'd be happier about not worrying about. By the time you treat your slide with any of the finishes that most recommend, the economic advantage of the XD goes away, maybe swings to the p99 depending on the deal you get (ie. Robar, hard chrome or whatever). If I planned on keeping mine, I'd get it treated.
Eventually, I plan on trading my XD towards a 610, so that I keep a .40 caliber shooter (I can get cheap/free .40 from a relative). That was the real reason for the purchase initially. But I'm starting to like the idea of a 10mm platform too. If not the 610, maybe a (Para) P-16 with a 10mm bbl.
YMMV, HTH, IMO, etc
I own a P99 in 9mm, and XD40 in .... well .40
I like the p99 in so many ways. I certainly shoot it better, but only have ~1000K thru the XD. I like the trigger A LOT more on the p99. Mines not mushy (XD is moreso, if at all). Glock triggers are mushy ...
P99 reset is shorter then XD. This makes it easier to shoot "at speed" (below .2 second splits). Better shape for carry (MUCH thinner). Full size mags used to be available for ~65 bucks but went up, but are now DOWN
Never had a problem with rust on the p99. I have had it start on the XD. (All day shoot, heavy dew after dark, by the time I had it home, it was "rusted" = very light surface rust. Not a big deal, I'll keep a cloths soaked in CLP in a baggie in my range bag from now on. But it's also something I'd be happier about not worrying about. By the time you treat your slide with any of the finishes that most recommend, the economic advantage of the XD goes away, maybe swings to the p99 depending on the deal you get (ie. Robar, hard chrome or whatever). If I planned on keeping mine, I'd get it treated.
Eventually, I plan on trading my XD towards a 610, so that I keep a .40 caliber shooter (I can get cheap/free .40 from a relative). That was the real reason for the purchase initially. But I'm starting to like the idea of a 10mm platform too. If not the 610, maybe a (Para) P-16 with a 10mm bbl.
YMMV, HTH, IMO, etc
wally
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Yes, these would be the "AS" models if I remember correctly. To me the rail is eyewash so I'll go with what is cheaper in a German made gun with DA/SA operation.
--wally.
Todesengel
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Yes, that are the AS models but they should also be available in the QA & DAO Variant. What I like about the "Facelift" version is the re-shaped trigger guard w/o hump inside and the serrations are not as sharp as in the older models.
I might get one in caliber 40 soon but haven't decided with which trigger-mode; I had a P99 in 9mm SA/DA and it was a great gun.
Wildalaska
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Walther P99...by far
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wally
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I understand the DAO model if you like a long hard trigger pull every time.
But how is the QA different than the DA/SA if you don't decock the DA/SA gun after loading it?
If you decock the QA it won't fire until you partially retract the slide, am I the only one that thinks this is just plain goofy? If the decocker was removed or made non-functional on the QA modle I'd not be asking.
Was this just quick and dirty engineering to have a gun that works "just like a Glock"?
--wally.
But how is the QA different than the DA/SA if you don't decock the DA/SA gun after loading it?
If you decock the QA it won't fire until you partially retract the slide, am I the only one that thinks this is just plain goofy? If the decocker was removed or made non-functional on the QA modle I'd not be asking.
Was this just quick and dirty engineering to have a gun that works "just like a Glock"?
--wally.
Todesengel
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In Germany for the most part only Cops have guns - the P99 was designed for cops. My Guess is that the Decocker is there to make the gun un-operable for gun-grabbers not familiar with the system. Cops could carry it in decocked possition...In Germany it does'nt happen often that cops have to draw their gun. A couple of years ago there was an incident where a BG grabbed a cops gun and shot him with it - If the gun would have been a decocked P99 QA the cop would have had a chance.
orangeninja
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"Do you know what's up with the QA version and the decocker that seems to render the gun inopertive until the slide is partially racked?"
The QA version is great for IWB carry....especially if you were gonna PAY for that vasectomy.
The QA version is great for IWB carry....especially if you were gonna PAY for that vasectomy.
Alpha Wolf
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I purchased the XD....
It just fits my hand better. I also like the no brains safety for a defence gun.
After having it I added a M6 Tactical Light/Laser site and also a longer match barrel. I call it the Frankinstein mode...
I can change it from stock to my Frankinstein mode and back again...
Well, to up the longer distance shots I have a second barrel.
A match grade, stainless nearly 5 1/2 inches long.
It actually works fine, just looks a bit strange. Great for getting people at the range to come over and strike up a converstion.
It just fits my hand better. I also like the no brains safety for a defence gun.
After having it I added a M6 Tactical Light/Laser site and also a longer match barrel. I call it the Frankinstein mode...
I can change it from stock to my Frankinstein mode and back again...
Well, to up the longer distance shots I have a second barrel.
A match grade, stainless nearly 5 1/2 inches long.
It actually works fine, just looks a bit strange. Great for getting people at the range to come over and strike up a converstion.
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