Squirrels are cute! Don't kill them!

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dburkhead

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My wife said that to me this morning. I gave request a lot of thought and composed the following reply:

I know that you come from Japan and from an "urban" environment but there are some things you need to understand.

First, humans have been farmers and animal herders/keepers for about 5,000 years. That seems like a long time, but humans have been hunting, in one form or another for Five Million Years. That's 1000 times as long as we have been farming and keeping animals. There is a strong bias between men and women when it comes to hunting too. After all, among our ancestors it was the men who did the hunting while the women gathered fruits, nuts, grains, and vegetables. Men tend to have more of an inclination to hunt than women (although there is some sign that's changing--a lot of women hunt these days). Culture can modify that somewhat. You have groups saying over and over again that "hunting is bad" and people start to believe it and suppress the natural urge to hunt. It's quite possible that a lot of the emotional problems many people have today comes from that very suppression.

Then there's the practical aspect. The world is not a safe place. It never has been. While Japan has been relatively safe for most people over the last few decades, that is an artificial condition. A good part of the reason that Japan is safe is that thre are large US forces stationed there to keep folk like Russia or China from deciding to add Japan to their collection. Another thing to consider is that while crime is low in Japan, the cost of that is a society where the suicide rate is among the highest in the world. The very parts of Japanese culture that makes people "safe" from others, causes emotional stresses and problems that make them more dangerous to themselves. Think about that: it's possible to fight back against a criminal, particularly if one is allowed to be armed, but it's a lot harder to fight back against the kind of problems that make suicide seem like a rational option.

As a real world example: I have been having a lot less problem with depression since I have been going fishing, both by myself and with Athena and since I started on these hikes/hunting expeditions.

Back to the world being a dangerous place. Numerous times over the course of history, great civilizations have collapsed completely. It wasn't always external wars that did it. Numerous civilizations tore themselves apart from within. What you see around us, the cities, the roads, the hospitals, the stores filled with food, can all vanish remarkably quickly. Economic collapse, war, race/class strife, poor decisions in energy policy, all sorts of things can stop food moving from the farms to the cities. The average city has only about 3 days worth of food on hand at any given time. While it's not particularly likely to happen any time soon, once it does happen it's too late to prepare for it. And so I feel the need to obtain the skills to provide food for our family in the event of disaster. Seeing that you and Athena (and Reio if you ever get him home) are fed is important to me. A large part of why I'm doing the things I'm doing is against the need to provide for you.

Now, squirrels. Yes, we have Nemo [our Chinese dwarf hamster], who is distantly releated to squirrels--about as closely related to squirrels as Mika-chan, Hoshi, and Sumisu [our goldfish] are releated to the Salmon you like to eat. The squirrels I would behunting are not the half-tame animals you see in parks or trees around town. These are wild animals. They get into farmers' crops and eat food that might otherwise end up in the store for you and me and Athena to buy and eat. The more squirrels and other animals eat, the less there is available for us and the more the food in the store costs. There's a reason that folk who spend a lot of time in the woods often refer to squirrels as "tree rats" because that is what they are. Yes, they're cute in urban parks or in a tree outside the window, but left unchecked in large numbers they rapidly become pests. The thing is, squirrels breed fast (like most other rodents). The main predators that kept squirrel population in check (wolves, wildcats, hawks, eagles, etc.) are largely gone and without hunting their populations would grow to the point that they would become a real problem. The State government watches the population of various wild animals and sets hunting seasons and limits based on what's needed to keep healthy populations. Folk who hunt are actually doing an important service in keeping the rest of the population healthy.

What I say above about squirrels is true about rabbits, deer, ducks and geese, and pretty much every other wild animal that's not on an endangered list (and it's not generally hunting that renders an animal endangered) out there. Hunting is important to keeping animal populations down to a healthy level.

So when you add everything up: the biological history of the human race, the need to prepare against possible future disasters, and the need to keep a limit on wild animal populations I hope you'll see why I consider learning and practicing hunting to be important. I hope you will be able to put your emotional response aside and support me in this. To help with that, I'll make a point of keeping the more unpleasant aspects discrete so that you don't have to deal with them directly. It would be good if you also learned--although that would be a very large step and I won't ask it of you now--so that if disaster happened, you would be able to obtain food if I became injured or ill. But, as I said, that's too big a step to ask of you now, so we'll leave that aside.

Anyway, I love you and Athena very much. That's a large part of why I'm doing this.
 
I was raised on fried squirrel. There were periods when fish, squirrel, and venison were the main sources of protein for my family. I was thankful for this food. I would not destroy any of these valuable, life-saving creatures without need. I definitely would not cause them any unneccessary pain while harvesting them. That is one of the reasons that I study and value firearms, and why I practice with them.

Hopefully I will never need to kill another squirrel, but I do wish to retain the option of hunting when at need.
 
My wife thought squirrels were cute and gave me a lot of grief over squirrel hunting. Then one day, she started screaming, "Look at him! Shoot him! Shoot him!"

It seems a squirrel was taking advantage of her prized sunflowers.:D
 
Grandma has me shoot squirrels out of her Pecan trees. The little buggers can pack away a lot of pecans and I have a choise-pecan pie or fat tree rats. I'll go for pecan pie every time.
 
They're tree rats.

No different than popping prairie dogs from two counties away with bullets that shred themselves and the critter beyond all recognition or possibility of eating...

Who wants to eat rat anyway??
 
Correction . . . can't hunt them here, but I've always considered them more as "acrobatic rats." The light-sleeping Lab has trained the ones that escaped (some with now-naked or missing tails) to not dig holes in my lawn, and as a matter of fact, to avoid my place completely! She's a good girl . . . and she thinks they taste pretty good . . .
 
I don't subscribe to the 5,000,000 years of hunting perspective as playing any part between any difference between the views of males and females toward hunting because the theory of evolution holds no sway with me. Rather, from my viewpoint, males and females are wired differently. As a generalization, females often possess greater sensitivity and compassion than males, perhaps there is even greater divergence with hunting males. If you can provide a good enough reason to kill squirrels then contention shouldn't become serious. However, if you are killing squirrels simply for the sake of killing and trying to disguise this to your wife with hollow and elaborate explanations, that you may even want to believe, you will be walking into problems. It is difficult for soft-hearted and sensitive people to countenance killing, especially of things 'soft and cuddly', without a reasonable and sincere reason because killing for the sake of it is utterly opposed to the person they are.
 
I don't subscribe to the 5,000,000 years of hunting perspective as playing any part between any difference between the views of males and females toward hunting because the theory of evolution holds no sway with me.

Well, it's more like a couple million. Our earliest ancestors were herbivorous and then about 2 million IIRC years ago came the Habilis. They were thought to be the first to eat flesh in OUR lineage. A lot of that is conjecture, but pretty educated conjecture. I'm not sure they were squirrel hunters. Are there squirrels in Africa? :D

Just catch one of those critters and let the wife caress and pet it. When it bites the HELL out of her, she'll kill it herself. :D

http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/habilis/habilis-a.html
 
Bushy tailed rats

I have never understood the whole argument over the squirrels. My girl also sees them as cute little critters to be watched and feed. I pointed out that they are the same as rats, the only difference is the rat has no hair on its tail. I then did some more work with her and failed to make any head way. Did I also mention bunnies are on the cute list. That is until last week when the cute little bunnies ate my Tab's snap peas and cucumbers as they sprouted out of the ground in our garden. Now I have built a "rabbit proof fence" in the garden and we have a free fire zone around the greenery. I am so waiting for one of the "tree rats" to make a mistake and join the list of pop-up targets in the back yard....
 
Actually, I based the 5 million on the idea that the eating of at least occasional meat goes back at least to the last common ancestor between genus "homo" and genus "pan" (the chimp branch) since both chimps and bonobos will catch and eat meat as well, that's between 5 and 7 million years ago according to the latest research I've seen.

I may have been stretching the meaning of "hunt" but not by any more than earliest agriculture stretches the meaning of "farming."
 
Mountain Cur keeps them in check around here. About every other time I come home she'll present me with her half eaten trophy. Otherwise, I'll justr sit on the deck and shoot them under the bird feeder. 65# bow G5 S.G.H. really does a number on the little critters. Tasty too.
 
Nearly all animals are edible. Perhaps all are if you know what you are doing in the preparation.

In a dire nutritional crunch I will try tree rats as I hunted and had to eat them growing up (along with many wild animals).

My position now is as long as I can afford it and the stores continue to sell beef, poultry, pork, seafood, veal, lamb and the like I am gonna take that road. :)
 
Since they decided to make my attic their home, tree rats have taken on vermin status and are eliminated on sight. I plug up one hole they've chewed in my roof, a week later I find another under the eave. :cuss:
I've killed between 50-60 since January here. It's like the little vermin are coming off a conveyeor belt or something. I just took a month off because I'm recovering from a triple bypass, but soon...soon ya little rat-bastids... :fire:

Now, houses are being built in my regular line-of-fire so I have to find another line-of-fire, dagnabit... :banghead:
 
Cute doesn't factor into whether an animal "should" be hunted or not. In the SE US squirrels can be very destructive to houses and crops when they are not balanced by predators. Being cute doesn't prevent them from being destructive nor does it ensure they have balanced populations or whether they're edible.
 
Well, good point dburkhead. After all, insectivores are technically carnivorous. Chimps eat lots of termites and, yes, will kill and eat other critters. Hominids sorta rely on tools, though, and the way I understand it, Habilis was the first of the real tool makers, making tools rather than poking sticks into termite mounds. I know, personally, I'd have a hard time running down a squirrel without a tool, in my case a good .22 pistol or rifle. I suppose if I just HAD to when I was a kid, I could have learned to shoot a bow or toss a sling good enough to hunt with. Actually, I think fashioning a trap would be more effective, bait it with a few juicy pecans. :D I know traps work really well for hogs and I reckon a pit trap would work about as well as my welded steel frame with a spring door on the front. Snares are easy to make, but it took intelligence beyond your average chimp to figure that out. I think humans gave up being able to climb very well when they started walking erect. Chimps do much better at running down things arboreal. I've read that they have a rather high success rate when hunting as a group, a testament to their intelligence, but still, they have a ways to go to build actual tools. Without tools, a human might be able to clean up a lion's scraps, but he ain't gonna be able to run down his own prey, and what does he do with it when he catches it? LOL I don't keep up real well with this stuff, though, just sorta interests me as does other scientific subjects and I read stuff on it when I have time.
 
Nearly all animals are edible. Perhaps all are if you know what you are doing in the preparation.

Best not eat the frogs in the Amazon. :D Some of 'em will kill you quite dead quite quick. Might be able to prepare it, but like that Japanese puffer fish, I wouldn't trust MY life to the chef, especially if it was me! ROFLMAO!

Hey, you can eat a lot of things, but not all are that tasty. Squirrel, though, are quite tasty! Don't knock it if you ain't tried it.
 
Go out to the dump shoot a big rat and skin it, then go into the woods and shoot a squirrel, skin it.

Lay them both side by side, see any difference? A little rat meat never hurt anybody!:D
 
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