Stabilizing Paintballs-rifling

[JimJD]

Oh, I long for the good 'ol days when pump was king.
Well, not totally... But I feel the same about the "paint hose" problem.

Way too many kids who play today are heavy on that trigger.
It's just wrong to see some fourteen year old kid running down the field with an angel or some other type of "uber-gun".
But it's great to see the look on their face when I eliminate them with my Tippmann!

 

[gun-fucious]

i've got a really nice Viper M1 thats pretty accurate,
but after being laned in by "Timmy"
i decided to join the escalation.

i'd love to have a hyper accurate marker that would wack a mole at 60 feet.
i would certainly save on paint

the FN/AGD system seems to be accurate
but thats a buck a ball and not field legal

i've seen
spiral ported barrels
open rail barrels
adjustable bore barrels
3 foot barrels
6 inch barrels
sleaved barrels
titanium barrels
and carbon fiber barrels

the common denominator is a 68 caliber encapsulated glob of paint
and the ballistics of that 300fps ball is just goofy

longballs bounce off 70 foot snipes
unless you buy the more fragile expensive paint
and that can implode in yer barrel if you look at it crosseyed

It seems like most of the development these daze is for X-ball/ Speedball
Where in the backman drops 6, 200 round tubes as fast as possible.

I prefer old skool woodsball and pod tactics.

Its a heck of a nickle pitch

 

[Penforhire]

The electric-triggered sear is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. I have an amazingly tricked out Black Magic Autococker, cost me more than any of my firearms, but I have as much or more fun with my $300 M3 (aka Black Dragun), a cheap-as-can-be blow-back Spyder design with an electric sear. I wish the ATS design was more competitive when you have to go to "hose mode." That's the marker for guys who like GUNS.

Gun-fucious, you nailed the variety of barrels out there. I love the intimidation factor of long barrels but try anything over 14" in the woods for a while and you get real tired of getting it around obstacles. And fuggettaboutit in speedball...

 

[gun-fucious]

if you think a 16 inch barrel is a pain in the woods

you should try lugging a 5 foot LAWS about



or our Ballista:
http://www.darkviking.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=39&fullsize=1

run away!

 

[goon]

Are there any guns out there that you could actually hit something with?
I don't have one yet, but I would like to get into the sport.
I would like to get one that I could hit a guy with as far away as possible.
Pump or even something slower would be OK if I could hit them twice as far away as they could hit me.
Also, if that animal doesn't exist, what should I start with?
Any suggestions as to what to buy and where I could get it the cheapest would be great.
And how much is it gonna cost me to get started?

And BTW- How come no one has come up with a cartridge firing paintball gun?

 

[Joe Demko]

Cartridge systems have been around. I remembeer one from all the way back in the 80's that looked like a MAC submachinegun. The cartridges used primers as propellant. Yes, it was full-auto too.

 

[gun-fucious]

the limitations are

A] ~300fps ball speed

B] a 68 caliber liquid filled gellatine capsule

it doesn't matter if you pump it or semi auto it

its the irregular ball at 300fps ballistics (or lack there of) that determine what you will hit

its kind of frustrating to not be able to connect at 80 feet
but neither can yer target
if you get to tunneled on one dood
you will get wacked by his teammate


a good starter is the tippmann 98
the only gun that strikes further is the tippmann flatline barrel
it back spins the ball and it flys ~15 feet further
but the air drag has pretty much slowed the ball
down to bounce, not break speed at that distance

if you are getting into paintball to play woodsball/rec ball
then you can have a great game with nearly any marker

X-ball/Speedball is a firefight with 100 balls in the air at any moment

 

[Penforhire]

Goon, ebay is your friend. The Tippy suggestion is a good one. I'd have to add the Spyder clones work good enough too. Make the price stretch to get a compressed air system instead of CO2, although you can switch most markers later. Don't get a pump unless everyone you play with uses 'em. You can snipe with a semi if that's your bag. As an upgrade get a sized barrel set to match your barrel to your paint.

Your paint hopper won't matter for sniping but the electric-stir hoppers are a must for firefights.

Don't save money by using old or cheap paintballs. At the same time, don't start with extremely thin-wall balls designed for tournament use.

Get a mask that is comfortable and protects your ears and throat (or wear a neoprene neckie). A good set of knee and elbow pads made my game better.

You're not going to legally outrange your opponents. Work on flanking moves, teamwork, and proper use of cover.

Cartridges are too expensive and noisy (believe it or not the BATF thinks a paintball silencer is the real deal).

 

[zahc]

Goon-Forget the marker. First buy a good mask. (I like Vforce masks)

Once you have a good mask, tippmann 98; spyder clone.

Think before buying compressed air though, I have to drive 50 miles to get a compressed air fill, but I can fill CO2 in my basement for pennies. I run regulated CO2 in a 20oz tank with an anti siphon and don't do bad at all.

Buy decent paint.

 

[Penforhire]

One note about compressed air. If you or a buddy are dive certified you can get a scuba tank filled (3,000 PSI in an 80 aluminum cylinder is common) at any dive shop for cheap and a $45 adapter can fill your marker bottles for a while.

Curiously, my local field doesn't allow scuba tanks even in their parking lots. Must've had problems on hot days blowing a burst disk. But they do offer air fills and they can top off my 4500 PSI bottle, which I can't do at home.

 

[gun-fucious]

heres one attempt at a sniper rifle:

in conventional firearms a longer barrel means more accuracy (to a point)

in a marker you want ~300 fps at the muzzle

so with a 12 inch barrel, 300 fps takes X amount of gas
whats a 50 inch barreled marker going to need in gas
to overcome 38 more inches of drag?

Prolly 4X the amount of gas

more gas required, fewer shots per tank
and the unstable projectile is still
gonna exit the maw at 300 fps

 

[Penforhire]

What is sad is that a well-made paint-marker silencer, by reducing pressure behind the ball as it exits the barrel, enhances accuracy. Sad because the BATF has thrown fits about them in the past.