Starbucks should say "Yes" to Brady Campaign

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As a concerned customer of Starbucks (former customer now) I would like to take the time to let other customers know why, in fact, Starbucks SHOULD say "Yes" to the Brady Campaign.

Some of you may have noticed recently that more and more gun owners are trying to "make a statement" by showing up at public places with their weapons on display. Most states do regulate the concealed carrying of weapons, however, the language on open carrying is often very vague.

The open carrying of firearms in Starbucks stores makes me and I am sure many others feel threatened. The last thing I want to see while ordering a latte is someone with a pistol strapped to their waist.

Starbucks should ban the carrying of firearms in their stores. Just as they can legally refuse service to someone without a shirt or shoes they can legally refuse service to those toting weapons.

If more and more gun owners show up to Starbucks with their guns I guarantee it is going to make more and more people uncomfortble and choose to buy their coffee elsewhere...as they should!
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I'd have to say that as long as Starbucks has no negative incidents with a gun in their stores, they aren't going to change a thing. Ever heard the saying "If its not broke, don't fix it"? Gun carriers have been going into Starbucks for quite some time I gather, and its never been seriously brought up until now, and you guys are just now taking a stand against Starbucks? I hate to be the one to burst you guys bubbles but Starbucks isn't going to react to you guys not supporting their business anymore. They get more business from gun carriers than you guys can imagine, they would lose more customers banning guns than they will from people like you who have active imaginations and think that your going to get shot getting your morning coffee. Be realistic, Starbucks is an international company, with more customers than you could ever count, and the number grows daily. They aren't concerned about you guys who are quitting your morning coffee stop to make a point. I don't mean to sound harsh or anything, but its the reality of the situation you need to look at. Starbucks is a business, they care about profit, and they are going to do what gets them money unless something happens to push them the other way. So unless one of those gun carriers shoots up a starbucks, they are going to keep their current policy.
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Guy is right that it seems to not be going totally their way.
 
I am astonished that so many people are deathly afraid of people who carry guns, yet police officers are infallible gods in their minds, and are somehow exempt from their fear.
 
I read that thread on Facebook. You guys are saying it's not going their way, but I doubt any of their minds are swayed. I'll bet they've hunkered down even deeper into their skittish mindsets.
 
I read that thread on Facebook. You guys are saying it's not going their way, but I doubt any of their minds are swayed. I'll bet they've hunkered down even deeper into their skittish mindsets.
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Quite possibly so. But, remember the uncommitted fence-sitters. We can't leave foolish statements unanswered.

DD
 
General Geoff said:
I am astonished that so many people are deathly afraid of people who carry guns, yet police officers are infallible gods in their minds, and are somehow exempt from their fear.
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It may be astonishing, but I think it's quite true: many people are deathly afraid of guns, people who own guns and people who carry guns -- except for LEOs. Maybe they see LEOs as different because they believe LEOs to be subject to supervision and/or screened and selected for the job and/or well trained.

Maybe we can disagree with that reasoning, but it is still a widespread public perception. And whether or not we agree, it's important to the preservation and furthering of the RKBA that we understand how others view the world.
 
... Does the gun jump out of LEO's holsters and start shooting stuff up when they walk into starbucks? My holster and handgun discipline is just as good as any LEO's. Those people seriously just need to get a hobby... have they considered plinking? lol
 
In my state a establishment saying "no firearms allowed" is not held up by the law anyway.

They can come at you for trespassing if they ask you to leave, but you have the legal right to carry if you have the permit.

Some of you may have noticed recently that more and more gun owners are trying to "make a statement" by showing up at public places with their weapons on display.
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I have never seen this, ever.

How many people have ever seen this? Anyone here?

If I open carried my weapon that would be borderline "use of deadly force," since just drawing it, or showing it is considered "use of deadly force" in Iowa.

Open carry is not allowed here. I can't imagine somone just walking around town with their weapon on full display hanging on their hip just because they have a CCW. The idea that all of us are starting to do this is as ignorant as you can get.

Though, its not very likely that you are going rob a place after you sit and drink your coffee with a gun on your hip where people can see.
 
I open carry on a daily basis, here in Arizona we haven't lost our right to carry a gun openly just because some <body> is afraid of a gun. I carry two more hidden cause I do have a CCW. My choice and I don't have to badmouth your choice to make mine more acceptable to me.
Maybe we could just give real FREEDOM a try. It works like this, you don't like seeing my gun in the bank- Go Away. Isn't Freedom Grand!
 
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Open carry is basically the only option where I live. A CCW permit is realistically not an option. It really gets underneath my skin every time I hear somebody talk about yet another place they want to prohibit open carry. It's like they keep chipping away at my rights. School zones are already off limits.
 
I can't imagine somone just walking around town with their weapon on full display hanging on their hip just because they have a CCW.
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In most places, open carry is an attractive option because it does NOT require a license or permit.

If I open carried my weapon that would be borderline "use of deadly force," since just drawing it, or showing it is considered "use of deadly force" in Iowa.
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Please cite your state law, I find this hard to believe.
 
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That one guy who posted about someone having the audacity to read a non sanctioned newspaper or someone to pray before eating, was hilarious, and more true than most realize. +1 for Starbucks for not bowing down. I emailed them and told them thank you. They responded saying that they would continue to support the laws in the individual locations. Good for them. It almost makes the rediculously overpriced coffee worth it.
 
T.A.Sharps,

Yes, there is an intentional increase on the part of OpenCarry.org.

In California there are organized meetings in public places--a sort of "coming out of the closet" that the Brady bunch has put us in by preaching that we are perverts.

The group open carry meets also diminish negative activism (harassment) by local police.

Part of the thought is that since California is a "may issue" state for CCW and some sheriffs like ours in Contra Costa County are "issue my a@@", they will use the only legal alternative and perhaps make CCW a more attractive alternative in the minds of the sheriffs.
 
there is no winning the argument with someone who would rather their brother die in a shooting than have a gun himself for his own protection lest he put other innocent people at risk... I cannot provide a link to my aforementioned statment but i have read it on more than one of the brady campaigns boards...

These people do not live in reality.. they think taking guns away will stop all crime and all policemen are all excellent marksmen that will be at their doorstep within moments of an emergency phone call. They refuse to consider anyone elses views as even a remote possibility and are so consumed by their ideals that they do not even recognize the lack of logic in them.


A good friend once told me he would gladly give every one of his guns to whomever he must if it would prevent people from being killed via violent means.. I dout there is a single poster here who wouldnt do the same, but the simple fact is that whether or not they have guns criminals will do what criminals do. Take away a criminals guns (which gun control WOULD NOT DO) and they resort to knives. Take away criminals knives (which Knife control WOULD NOT DO) and the resort to blunt objects. Take away a criminals blunt objects (which blunt object control WOULD NOT DO) and they will resort to strangulation methods. Take away a criminal's string, wire, belts... etc (which string, wire, belt control WOULD NOT DO) and they will resort to hand to hand techniques and be sure to bring along several of their biggest friends...

all we can do is work with the fence sitters to show them the benefits of guns and gun ownership. The great majority of the anti's are a lost cause... at least publically... I've no doubt any of them would shoot to save their lives just as a PITA member would stab a fawn with a bucks antler if it came right down to it.
 
Probably can't change the minds of Brady disciples (it IS after all, a faith), the point is to help prevent onlookers from being sucked in.
 
OK, OK. I had to jump into the fray. Here's my "shoot-from-the-hip" response. Flame away...


People forget that (with Starbucks) this is a property rights issue, not necessarily a gun rights issue. Property owners can set any policy they'd like, as long as it does not conflict with state or federal law.

If you live in one of the 40 states that issue Concealed Handgun Licenses, how many people carrying guns have you passed by - in the bank, the grocery, Starbucks, the gas station, the library...?

How many times have you been scared by them? Likely never, because you never saw the gun.

By all means, if you are so inclined, please avoid businesses that allow people to carry firearms, just like I avoid businesses that forbid them.

Just for grins, look at this evaluation of the Brady Campaign scorecard of states - and how the states they rank as "good" on gun laws have much higher murder rates than the states that are "bad" on gun laws: http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/9563 The article has a link to the Brady site where you can compare your own state's "grades."

By the way, you are at least 12 times more likely to die in a car accident on the way to Starbucks than you are to die of a gunshot wound while there. The CDC stats have borne this out pretty consistently over at least the last 10 years.

Please do some honest, impartial research before reacting in a knee-jerk way. This goes for both the "antis" and the "pros" out there. I've seen a few comments from people I'd rather not sit next to.
 
Please cite your state law, I find this hard to believe.
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Why do people that don't live on Iowa always want to debate me about open carry here?

I don't keep the states law in my back pocket for an online forum, nor do i want to take the time to find it on the net just to show you what I know.

I know what I was instructed on, and showing your weapon is considered deadly force in Iowa. Also, believe it or not, there are a few grey areas dealing with carrying firearms here.

I would not be willing to duke it out in court just to find out where the gray area in Iowa law lies just to display to everyone that I have a pistol.

Also, I never said this was the same law for Pennsylvania, or California, but it would be very out of place for someone to open carry here.
 
I know what I was instructed on, and showing your weapon is considered deadly force in Iowa.
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Don't believe everything you're told. I wouldn't trust the word of an instructor about a law, until I read the statute (and relevant case law) with my own two eyes.
 
I seem to remember reading somewhere that cops accidentally shoot more people than private citizens with CCPs do.
 
What makes me nervous is fat cops that get winded by simply getting out of their cars. I see plenty of these gems around. The problem there is that anti-gun people won't see what's wrong with being grossly out of shape while wearing a uniform and a Glock, but absolutely everything is wrong with that.
 
I have a concealed handgun permit and live in Virginia which is an open carry state. I've only seen two people in my lifetime open carry in public and in stores. Both times it made me feel uncomfortable. Why you ask? I'm not sure. I don't know if its wondering what this guy's motive is, what point is he trying to make, is he just trying to be macho or whether he just feels to need to show his gun. The one thing it did make me wonder about, having seen him carrying around his gun, is does he have even the basic training to safely handle it. I know in Virginia to get a concealed permit you have to attend a safety class and show minimum safety and shooting skills, at least in the class I took. I suspect the general public may have the same feeling that I got, "is this guy safe".
 
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