STARLINE BRASS??

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Is Star Line Brass usually sized and trimmed if it is new brass? I bought some 30 Carbine and it measures mostly 1.284 for length which this is for my Ruger Blackhawk so the length is find!! Should I run it through the sizing die and then install the Small Mag Rifle primers? Or should I treat these cases like I do the once fired brass I buy? The reason I am asking is because I don't want to mess up new brass. Thanks in advance!! 74man
 
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You need to do everything that you would normally do to fired brass just to normalize it & make it the same as what you normally shoot. You wouldn't want an unexpected defect in any of the brass so the only way you can be sure it's just like what you already have reloaded is to run it through the same process as the other brass you have been shooting.
I think you are talking about Star Line brass right??
 
Yes. Size as normal and trim if too long or irregular lengths. Also, chamfer corners off the mouth so bullets go in more consistaint. If it's starline brass there should be a sheet in the box that says to debur mouths before use. If you don't full length size new brass some bullets may be loose when you seat em or have different tension.

Sometimes you can get by w/o full length resizing bottle neck cases but striaght walls always need sizing has been my experiance. If the neck tension is good on bottle necks, I take the neck bushing out and make sure the shoulders are set properly by running through the die. Thats mainly because I can only reuse some chamberings brass two times and don't want to work harden the necks if not needed. It shouldn't matter on the 30C though.
 
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Run it through the sizing die, debur and chamfer is all that is needed if you are referring to Starline. The card that comes with it will tell you that it also has a coating and what needs to be done...
 
Other calibers of Starline (?) brass has been very consistent length wise, so I just size it, then chamfer and deburr it, then tumble it.

It could probably be loaded as is, but I would size it at least.
 
Ask Starline—From the FAQs on their website:

On sizing:
“Generally speaking, Starline cases require no resizing prior to loading. Due to variances in diameter of different bullet types, it is a good practice to size the case only as far down as the bullet seating depth. When full length sizing is required, it will be noted in the box with the brass. The only Starline cases requiring full length sizing prior to loading are the .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, and sometimes the .45 Colt(Depending on the bullet diameter to be used).”

On trimming handgun brass:

“Trim-to-lengths given in most manuals often confuse people if they are unsure of their actual purpose. Most manuals generate their own trim-to-lengths from SAAMI maximum cartridge drawings. They usually pick a number just below the SAAMI maximum and state this as the recommended trim-to-length. Depending on specific caliber, some cases will shrink and others will grow when fired and reloaded. The trim-to-length is trying to say: "If case is longer than trim-to-length, then trim back to this." The confusion comes in when people purchase new brass and want to trim it back to trim-to-length stated in the manual. One must understand that a manufacturer will not produce cases at maximum length and that we as manufacturers must have a reasonable tolerance to work with. Most people do not wish to trim brass, so at Starline, Inc., we operate a tolerance of .005 below SAAMI maximum and that window ranges from .003 to .010 below, depending on the caliber. All auto-feeding cartridges are held within .004, and revolver normally is within .005.


“The trim-to-length we recommend for peak performance is a variation of no more than .005 and length within .010 of published trim-to-lengths, but never exceeding trim-to-lengths.


“Remember, consistency in length relating to consistent crimp is more important than all cases being the same length as the trim-to-length in manuals, assuming it is not too long.”
 
[quoting Starline] "The only Starline cases requiring full length sizing prior to loading are the .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, and sometimes the .45 Colt(Depending on the bullet diameter to be used).”
FWIW: Starline's 44-40 definitely needs sizing -- otherwise it has no shoulder since it comes as virgin straightwall
Also FWIW... I pre-size everything anyway. :neener:
 
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I resize all new brass and trim any bottleneck cases. I'll spot check the length on straightwall cases and trim them if they vary by very much.
Most of the time the shoulder is never touched by the sizing die but it does round out the case mouth and make the case neck consistent.
 
For new pistol brass, I tumble for about thirty minutes, then chamfer and deburr, then size as normal.

For new rifle brass, I also tumble for about thirty minutes, then size as normal, then trim, and finally chamfer and deburr.

I tumble new brass for two reasons, first is to get any type of coating off that the manufacture may have put on, and second is to get a bit of wax on the new brass to help prevent tarnishing. I still lube all my brass before sizing, rifle and pistol, since it just makes the sizing so much easier/smoother.

chris
 
I have to apologize to everyone for my spelling, I MEANT STAR LINE BRASS not sterling brass. Sorry, must be my old age showing cause I used to be able to spell most anything thrown at me. Again I am sorry for my misspelling. Fixed my original post!!
 
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Only thing i don't like about Starline brass. Is rifle needs annealed. And it builds up brass deposits on the sizing dies fast. My last batch i chamfered and de-burd after annealing. Sizing went much better.
 
Personally, I like to start from a known "base line" Every case I reload, new, once fired, fired 20 times, gets treated the same. Clean, size/deprime, reload. But I like reloading.....
 
While Starline handgun brass tends to be quite consistent in length right out of the box, I still run it thru my sizing die to make sure all the case mouths are still round after shipment and that I have consistent neck tension.
 
I have no experience with their .30 Carbine brass, but often have loaded their straight wall pistol brass without any prep at all.
 
I purchased some 300BO brass from Starline... Didn't bother running it through a sizer. Primed, loaded, and worked just fine.
If I were shooting Bench Rest or something super precise, maybe? I haven't had any issues. Load and go!
 
I still run it thru my sizing die to make sure all the case mouths are still round after shipment and that I have consistent neck tension.
I've seen new Starline pistol brass that had slightly out of round mouths right out of the package, most likely due to banging around during shipping and handling. Not bad, and probably fine to reload, but why take the chance.

Size it and be sure it's right, don't take the chance. Just my opinion.

chris
 
A few years back, before I started reloading myself, a friend loaded about 100 rounds of rifle brass for me. Although an experienced reloader, he didn't size it and just loaded the new R-P brass as it came out of the bag. When I went to shoot them, about 1 in 3 wouldn't chamber. Turns out the new Remington brass shoulders were nearly 6 thousands over the SAMMI Go gauge for that caliber. Once I had the ability and equipment, I pulled it all down and resized it to bump the shoulders back 2 thousands less than my fired brass, loaded them myself and then 100% of them would chamber and fire.

Moral to the story is I now resize it all.
 
A few years back, before I started reloading myself, a friend loaded about 100 rounds of rifle brass for me. Although an experienced reloader, he didn't size it and just loaded the new R-P brass as it came out of the bag. When I went to shoot them, about 1 in 3 wouldn't chamber. Turns out the new Remington brass shoulders were nearly 6 thousands over the SAMMI Go gauge for that caliber.
With the 300BO I loaded right out of the Starline bag, I test chambered it first to make sure it was fine... and it was.
Should always test, and it never hurts to size if there is any doubt.
 
use more sizing lube sizing and expanding. my experience with new starline brass compared to once fired is it will grip noticably in the dies a bit more, enough to feel the difference running the press handle.
 
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