Statement by powder valley.

[CQB45ACP]

I stock up when prices are low and build up a good stash.
When 22LR came back and Cabela's and other local places had tables of it on sale a few years ago, I stocked up. Now I can hand my nephew a 550 pack and the 10/22 and we have a great Saturday.
When powder and primers come back, I'll stock up on those again. For now, I'll use what I have until I run low. Then it will be winter and my shooting volume will drop off.

So, uncle @WeekendReloader, I’ll stop by the house later today for my share.

 

[Howa 9700]

As for hoarders........nephew called yesterday to report he had found 5 boxes of rifle ammo at Walmart. How many to buy? Since he only uses that rifle during deer season, 1 box would last him a couple years. So I told him only buy 2 and leave the rest for someone else. My feelings are that as a group, we are better served if everyone has a little vs. a few having it all.

 

[Mark_Mark]

As for hoarders........nephew called yesterday to report he had found 5 boxes of rifle ammo at Walmart. How many to buy? Since he only uses that rifle during deer season, 1 box would last him a couple years. So I told him only buy 2 and leave the rest for someone else. My feelings are that as a group, we are better served if everyone has a little vs. a few having it all.

I don’t buy ammo, unless it’s Walmart 12 gauge, and sometimes .22. I really just need 150,000 primers and a crate if 1911’s

 

[CQB45ACP]

As for hoarders........nephew called yesterday to report he had found 5 boxes of rifle ammo at Walmart. How many to buy? Since he only uses that rifle during deer season, 1 box would last him a couple years. So I told him only buy 2 and leave the rest for someone else. My feelings are that as a group, we are better served if everyone has a little vs. a few having it all.

I agree unless it’s me with it all.

 

[daniel craig]

I am sick to death of people calling folks that are prepared "component Hoarders" . I have enough powder and primers to last the rest of my life, and still share with family and friends . It's not fair to start calling folks names just because they were/are smart enough to have stocked up . I have kept the same amount of surplus for 30 years or more and I still buy every chance I get . I also store water, just saying .

It’s not the well stocked people are caring about. It’s the people who have enough to last them their whole lifetime and STILL keep buying bulk quantities. Enough is enough you know?

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

.....it appears all the Hodgdon lines are imported powders and likely represents just a drop in the bucket of the total market share for these products. Unless those plants have shut down, hard to understand where the shortages of powder in general are coming from. It's as if we only need a few pounds out of tons and it's not available?

So what baffles me is why all resellers (PV, Midway, Graf, LGS's etc) seem to be struggling to find supply of powders. If it were only one or two brands, understandable, but all of them?

I'm sorry if this sounds unfriendly or sarcastic - it sure isn't meant either way - but the facts are a hard thing to accept sometimes and the facts are, the US was not the only country hit by the COVID illness and the horrible things it brought - in fact, compared to most of the rest of the world (Africa being an exception) WE got hit the LEAST and LIGHTEST of ANYWHERE - and that massive near-global hit of lost lives, lost economic opportunity, lost jobs, lost shipping, lost production, lost mining, lost every darn thing associated with making every darn thing every darn place First-World products are made for every darn place, has had repercussion WAY beyond, "...why can't I find primers or powder...!?". Europe's economy is a mess, Italy and England in particular, Spain was a mess BEFORE covid, we're diving into debt like a plane in a clover-leaf spin, trucking and shipping globally are in a scramble to get back to work, some states are STILL talking about total lockdown - which by the way includes dock workers, truckers, warehouse and shipping clerks, every darn body who gets product to every darn where. Modern civilization has been dealt a staggering blow and if it falls, having "three guns" and a few thousand rounds of ammo will matter zilch. Look around at what's NOT being shipped, where and which prices are climbing and how much those prices have progressed versus the investments being made in those economic sectors - which is very shocking to someone like myself who studies trends.

Please take this as constructive criticism because that is how it's meant but, here's your golden opportunity to learn a little bit more about supply chains and market economies than just where the reloading aisle is.

All the best and be well.

 

[kcofohio]

On Powder Valley, can't help but notice the proximity of their location to Hodgdon's operations, plus it appears that the US Distribution point of VihtaVuori is located in Sedalia, MO, which is only a few hundred miles away. Closer to Midway and Graf's, but still in the neighborhood.

Hodgdon's website has a statement suggesting they have decided to support their dealers more than compete with them by selling on their own website. But as for all brands of powders, since it appears that nearly all of small arms powders are made in countries outside the US and most are made for military use (recently found reference that IMR stands for "Improved Military Rifle").....it appears all the Hodgdon lines are imported powders and likely represents just a drop in the bucket of the total market share for these products. Unless those plants have shut down, hard to understand where the shortages of powder in general are coming from. It's as if we only need a few pounds out of tons and it's not available?

So what baffles me is why all resellers (PV, Midway, Graf, LGS's etc) seem to be struggling to find supply of powders. If it were only one or two brands, understandable, but all of them?

There are only 2 plants in the U.S. that produce powders. And they produce ball powder. They supply powder to Alliant, Hodgdon, and Western Powder ( now under the Hodgdon group). All extruded powders are produced overseas or Canada.

Of the powders I use, HP-39, Titegroup, HS-6, Longshot, CFE-Pistol, Silhouette, CFE223, and maybe a couple others are produced in the U.S.

Most IMR powders I believe are produced in Canada.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

It’s not the well stocked people are caring about. It’s the people who have enough to last them their whole lifetime and STILL keep buying bulk quantities. Enough is enough you know?

It's a little irritating to see a post that says, "I may have to give up reloading if these supply problems continue..." followed by four or five posts saying, "Why are you having problems? My local store has billions of what you need - but you cant' go there - and I have two lifetime's supply of EVERYTHING but I only share with people who also have EVERYTHING they need for two lifetimes. Too bad for you, sorry loser, bwaa-hahahaha!" It's a little irritating but, that's people for you. If people weren't irritating, rush hour would be just another time of day.

 

[Mark_Mark]

It’s not the well stocked people are caring about. It’s the people who have enough to last them their whole lifetime and STILL keep buying bulk quantities. Enough is enough you know?

I would normally agree with you, but not this time. If you want to buy 1,000,000 primers, it’s your money.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Two months ago I bought 1/2 of a steer. That, and the 3 deer from last season means you guys can fight over all the pork butts you want

do they age the beef for you? or is it a whole cow cut in half?

 

[CQB45ACP]

I'm sorry if this sounds unfriendly or sarcastic - it sure isn't meant either way - but the facts are a hard thing to accept sometimes and the facts are, the US was not the only country hit by the COVID illness and the horrible things it brought - in fact, compared to most of the rest of the world (Africa being an exception) WE got hit the LEAST and LIGHTEST of ANYWHERE - and that massive near-global hit of lost lives, lost economic opportunity, lost jobs, lost shipping, lost production, lost mining, lost every darn thing associated with making every darn thing every darn place First-World products are made for every darn place, has had repercussion WAY beyond, "...why can't I find primers or powder...!?". Europe's economy is a mess, Italy and England in particular, Spain was a mess BEFORE covid, we're diving into debt like a plane in a clover-leaf spin, trucking and shipping globally are in a scramble to get back to work, some states are STILL talking about total lockdown - which by the way includes dock workers, truckers, warehouse and shipping clerks, every darn body who gets product to every darn where. Modern civilization has been dealt a staggering blow and if it falls, having "three guns" and a few thousand rounds of ammo will matter zilch. Look around at what's NOT being shipped, where and which prices are climbing and how much those prices have progressed versus the investments being made in those economic sectors - which is very shocking to someone like myself who studies trends.

Please take this as constructive criticism because that is how it's meant but, here's your golden opportunity to learn a little bit more about supply chains and market economies than just where the reloading aisle is.

All the best and be well.

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how’d you like the play?

 

[alsaqr]

Good on powder Valley.

 

[Nature Boy]

do they age the beef for you? or is it a whole cow cut in half?

They hang and age the whole steer for 10 days. I chose to buy 1/2. You tell them how you want it butchered and they cut it up, vacuum seal it and freeze it. I got a lot of T-bones, Bone-in rib eyes, roasts out the ying yang and a ton of ground meat. Came out to ~$4.50/lb. These were hand fed steers so the quality is excellent

 

[Mark_Mark]

They hang and age the whole steer for 10 days. I chose to buy 1/2. You tell them how you want it butchered and they cut it up, vacuum seal it and freeze it. I got a lot of T-bones, Bone-in rib eyes, roasts out the ying yang and a ton of ground meat. Came out to ~$4.50/lb. These were hand fed steers so the quality is excellent

that sound so tasty! nice med-rare-rare T-bone with a bake potato and case of ice cold beer!

I like me steak grilled with just salt and pepper

 

[kcofohio]

Okay, you all are "steer"ing away from the OP.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Okay, you all are "steer"ing away from the OP.

what’s new?

Powder Valley is The Best!

 

[CQB45ACP]

They hang and age the whole steer for 10 days. I chose to buy 1/2. You tell them how you want it butchered and they cut it up, vacuum seal it and freeze it. I got a lot of T-bones, Bone-in rib eyes, roasts out the ying yang and a ton of ground meat. Came out to ~$4.50/lb. These were hand fed steers so the quality is excellent

Amazing!