Stats? Shot with own gun.

[kludge]

Since a doctor named Kellerman was in the news today (not sure if it's the same guy) I was thinking...

Are there any factual statictics out there on how many people, in an attempt to defend themselves have actually had their gun taken away and/or used against them?

Or this one...

How many women, defending/attempting to defend themselves with a gun, were subsequently beaten or raped?

Is there even a way to find this out?

Or how many women, after having learned non-lethal 'self defense' methods (martial arts, pepper spray, etc.) have been subsequently beaten/raped and whether those tactics were of any help in such scenarios?

I only have one piece of personal data that I can relate to in my personal life that showed me just how vulnerable females are to attack...

Back in college (6'3" 205# at the time) my girlfriend was angry (a huge understatement) at me and she puched me with literally everything she had right in the center of the chest (she was 6'1" 165#). Granted I have more vulnerable spots (that would be taught in such classes), but I truly didn't feel any pain. Maybe no one ever taught her how to punch, or where, but having never been hit before by a girl (other than my sisters ) it was a revelation.

My little sister played college ball, and is 6'1" at 175#, so maybe I'll have to take another data point.

 

[Cybert]

Since the mods seem to be on my case for starting any thread whatsoever, let me say now that I would like some mechanism to make sure my guns are not turned on me. For example, a specific pull (no more and no less). Or some pin that needs to be removed. My greatest fear is someone taking my weapon and using it against me. For a knife, it obviously can't be deactivated (Eragon spells aside).

 

[Cromlech]

Dude, both your college girl and your sister are positively Amazonian.

HAWT

 

[Soybomb]

Here's the debunking of kellerman. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

 

[Deanimator]

Are there any factual statictics out there on how many people, in an attempt to defend themselves have actually had their gun taken away and/or used against them?

I've been asking anti-gunners that very same question for the better part of TWENTY YEARS. Not ONE example yet that didn't involve a cop trying to physically subdue a suspect.

 

[kludge]

Seems like it's the same guy

Since a doctor named Kellerman was in the news today (not sure if it's the same guy)

Art Kellerman...http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6179995

 

[TallPine]

let me say now that I would like some mechanism to make sure my guns are not turned on me.

Pull the trigger until empty

 

[Odd Job]

You need to ask your local police department for stats. The hospital won't be a good bet because the victim may be embarassed that this has happened to him or her and may not tell the trauma staff the details.
If it is any use, out of a sample of 150 gunshot victims in my research only one admitted that he had been shot by his own gun. In that case he sustained a perforating injury to the thigh from a .45 FMJ.

 

[nhhillbilly]

17 years on the job

17 years on the job as a LE and never had a citizen shot with their own gun. About 8% of all LE officers killed are with thier own gun but their firearm are not concealed and we have to get close to arrest someone.

 

[wuchak]

Here's the debunking of kellerman. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

At the bottom of the page Soybomb linked to is a link to the article Guns and Public Health: Epidemic of Violence or Pandemic of Propaganda?. I highly recommend printing a copy and reading it. It's long but once read the first couple of sections I doubt you'll be able to put it down. Scary stuff.

 

[1 old 0311]

Got a uncle who retired after 30 years from the Chicago Police, south side. He said he kept his service pistol EMPTY, and his backup, in a belly band, loaded.

 

[MatthewVanitas]

let me say now that I would like some mechanism to make sure my guns are not turned on me. For example, a specific pull (no more and no less). Or some pin that needs to be removed. My greatest fear is someone taking my weapon and using it against me.

This would seem to be primarily a technique issue (keep weapon concealed, draw with weapon close to body, maintain standoff distance from aggresssor). If you're a cop, it's a little different since you're in uniform and pistol is clearly on your belt.

There are a few mechanical options though:

1) For Glocks, there's the Saf-T-Block (http://www.securityandsafetysupply.com/products-duty-gear/clip-2.html). This is the closest to a "pin that needs to be removed"

2) There have, apparently, been a couple cases where an aggressor took a H&K P7 from a target, but was unable to use it due to its unusual design. You can look it up on Google or THR search to get the full story.

Having a "no more, no less" weight of functional trigger pull is probably not practical. When your adrenaline is pumping, you'll probably be pulling the trigger with 40 pounds of force; aiming for 7lbs, no more/no less is not really viable, even if it were possible to design a gun to do so.

If it's really your "greatest fear", then it's probably best to focus your training on weapons retention, read some articles about it, etc.

Take care, -MV