Steel case vs. brass case ammo.

[emerson]

Back in 2000/2001 I was acquainted with someone who had access to a Steyr AUG. The rifle shot well, but when the barrel heated up lacquer coated steel ammunition would get stuck in the barrel and would not extract. This would not happen at all firing brass cases.

If you put regular gasoline into a high performance engine it very well may knock. If you put regular gasoline in a standard car there is typically no problem - two different systems, two different fuels, two different results.

And no, I neither own an AR nor do I care too much for them (or the Steyr for that matter.)

 

[Uncle Mike]

Don't EVER mention that an AR or a 1911 isn't perfect. The thread will head right to the pooper.

Oh yeah...let's see...All Ar's and 1911's are junk! worthy of being shmelted into boat anchors! We can take a joke! This IS The High Road!

Since the mud is slinging in regards to brass and steel cases....

I have listened to many state that steel cases are harder than brass cases, and the steel will wear the innards of your fine firearm quicker than brass will...yet others claim the steel alloy used in cases is just as 'soft' as the brass cases....

Whatyathink?

Not trying to jack your thread or anything, but while we are this close...

There are several folks in the 'ammunition manufacturing' business that will tell you that gilding metal jackets used on projectiles will not wear a barrel any faster than copper will, they say the gilding metal is just as soft and flexible as copper... I cannot say that I totally agree with that one.

Several 'barrel' manufacturers I put the question to said that gilding metal jacketed bullets will indeed wear the bores faster than copper.

opinions...documentation....premonitions....

 

[rcmodel]

what I see the 9mm Luger cartridge has ZERO taper yet it still seems to eject no problem.

Well see, you don't see that the 9mm is a tapered case either.

The mouth measures .380" and the head measures .394".

So, it does have .014" taper from one end to the other.

rc

 

[Walkalong]

I have also noticed that if you say anything but the most flattering things about an AR people get their feathers all ruffled. Geez.

Not at all, but most people insist that you be honest when doing it, and your posts were not honest. You attempted to tie the AR to problems with steel cased ammo and you can't do that because of the design issues explained earlier.

Correct

Man, I was going to post, but there is already way too much butthurt and hostility in this thread.

You should be slightly ashamed of your behavior, Texas Rifleman. You're usually the level headed person in threads like these.

I haven't noticed where TR has anything to be ashamed of. He was refuting staements with facts.

The OP started a thread on a controversial subject, seemed to carefully word it to ruffle feathers, and then seemed to try to fan a potential flame later. It isn't working yet, as posters have only stated facts to back up their opinions. No one is flaming the OP...........yet anyway.

 

[TexasRifleman]

You should be slightly ashamed of your behavior, Texas Rifleman. You're usually the level headed person in threads like these.

I'm wearing a little thin on the whole "XYZ gun sucks and here's why" threads I guess.

I think there are plenty of good gun topics without another "AR vs AK" or "9mm vs 45" battle

 

[TX1911fan]

Why would you bag on TexasRifleman. He's speaking the truth. I could just as easily come here and said that ARs suck because my .223 chambered rifle won't shoot 5.56. It wasn't designed to shoot 5.56, so that's why it won't shoot it (safely at least). It's not the rifle's fault. The AR was not designed to shoot steel cased ammo, the AK was. How hard is that to understand? It's as dumb as complaining about how ARs are more accurate than AKs and saying that an AK sucks because of it. ARs were DESIGNED for accuracy, AKs more for reliability and ease of use than accuracy.

By the way, my AR is chambered in 5.56, has fired close to 2,000 rounds of steel cased ammo with no problems. I have another 2,000 in storage, but am now reloading brass cased.

 

[evan price]

OK, to the OP- if we're assuming that AR designs suck, that the AK design never jams- I've got a pickle for you-

I have a Romanian WASR-3 AK. It's an AK47 chambered in 5.56. Guess what? I still get jams with steel cased ammo in that AK when firing Wolf or Brown Bear. Cases sticking in the chamber.

So, no, it's not all about the rifle, the design of the ammo is much more to do with the problem.

I would imagine an HK-style fluted chamber would be better with steel cased ammo with negligible taper, myself.