hankdatank1362
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Never thought I'd hear you say bust a cap, Tuner. Fo Shizzle.
Unless it was a true cap-n-ball revolver. Then, I guess you're being literal.
Unless it was a true cap-n-ball revolver. Then, I guess you're being literal.
Stephen King's taken some flack before, but...
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nwilliams
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I used to live not far from King when I grew up in Maine, I've read most of his books and just finished the Dark Tower series. I'm a huge fan of his work, whether he is anti or pro gun doesn't matter to me much, I just love his stories.
wheelgunslinger
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As gunnies, I think we like to over-analyze any firearm found in any text.
If the people in LUD had owned guns, they might have not had to endure being sacrificed.
The only way Roland escapes Tull is to shoot his way out and barely survives then.
Before he and Suzy meet up with Dandelo, they survive by killing Deer with guns.
Roland only receives his guns when he is seen as a responsible adult by his society. And, even then, his Father destroys them because he isn't ready.
The people of Calla Bryn Sturgis are liberated by the use of Roland and his friend's guns and their own will to be free.
Dwelling on whether or not there were safeties or if the guns had swing out cylnders- and if there's a counterpart in our world for them- seems a tad shortsighted.
King managed to write an epic that embraces the average person's right to keep and bear arms against the evils of the world, and even managed to sprinkle in a bit about how the mind is the limiting factor in all things including guns.
I say bravo to SK.
If you don't want to see anymore to it than the mechanical discrepancies, then that's cool. Literary criticism comes in all forms.
But, as gunnies, we have to keep our eye on the ball. IMHO, to get hung up on the parts and pieces of the guns is to not see the forest for the trees.
*Bango Skank was here*
If the people in LUD had owned guns, they might have not had to endure being sacrificed.
The only way Roland escapes Tull is to shoot his way out and barely survives then.
Before he and Suzy meet up with Dandelo, they survive by killing Deer with guns.
Roland only receives his guns when he is seen as a responsible adult by his society. And, even then, his Father destroys them because he isn't ready.
The people of Calla Bryn Sturgis are liberated by the use of Roland and his friend's guns and their own will to be free.
Dwelling on whether or not there were safeties or if the guns had swing out cylnders- and if there's a counterpart in our world for them- seems a tad shortsighted.
King managed to write an epic that embraces the average person's right to keep and bear arms against the evils of the world, and even managed to sprinkle in a bit about how the mind is the limiting factor in all things including guns.
I say bravo to SK.
If you don't want to see anymore to it than the mechanical discrepancies, then that's cool. Literary criticism comes in all forms.
But, as gunnies, we have to keep our eye on the ball. IMHO, to get hung up on the parts and pieces of the guns is to not see the forest for the trees.
*Bango Skank was here*
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Commala-come-come,
that's right, Wheelgun!
The Dark Tower series is extremely pro-gun, as well as being one of the best fantasy series I've ever written. Too bad the seventh book is back home and I'm at school now. Next time I miss my family (guns) enough to head back, I'll have to pick it up.
that's right, Wheelgun!
The Dark Tower series is extremely pro-gun, as well as being one of the best fantasy series I've ever written. Too bad the seventh book is back home and I'm at school now. Next time I miss my family (guns) enough to head back, I'll have to pick it up.
spaceCADETzoom
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King's words:
It was in an editorial he wrote in Entertainment Weekly.
Hutch
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He is a successful writer. He may even write passages that lead you to believe he is not anti-gun. He most certainly is. Refer to comment above, and I've seen him interviewed on TV decrying the "easy access" to firearms in this country. Did any of y'all read "Cell"? I think that reveals his true feeling. Made me wanna hurl, and I've never bought or read another of his works.
tommytrauma
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King lost me with the "cop killer dum-dum fragger bullets" the "Gun Nut NRA member" neighbor kept his guns loaded with in 'The Cell'. If you don't think King's an anti, read the passage in that book where the protagonist raids the gun nut's home for weapons and get back to me.
wheelgunslinger
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And yet, I still disagree with you gents.
spaceCADETzoom
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What do you disagree with? He self admits that he is anti-gun. Re-reading your previous posts defending King because of some of the actions of some of his characters, I still do not understand how you can "disagree" on this. There's nothing there to disagree about. He is anti gun. Different strokes for different folks, I can respect him as a writer and as an American with an opinion...
Even if his characters used guns defensively and "properly" in your eyes, even the most anti-gun person you can think of will no doubt be okay with cops, or soldiers, or literary "heroes" using guns for "noble" reasons. The anti-gun argument has always been rather the opposite of egalitarian: only the elite should have the right to be armed. THe unclean masses will only go on murederous rampages. I do not see how King has stated an opinion otherwise (directly or through his fiction). He has explicitly disagreed with the individual's right to be armed. He's entitled to that opinion--I do not see how you can say he does not mean it.
Even if his characters used guns defensively and "properly" in your eyes, even the most anti-gun person you can think of will no doubt be okay with cops, or soldiers, or literary "heroes" using guns for "noble" reasons. The anti-gun argument has always been rather the opposite of egalitarian: only the elite should have the right to be armed. THe unclean masses will only go on murederous rampages. I do not see how King has stated an opinion otherwise (directly or through his fiction). He has explicitly disagreed with the individual's right to be armed. He's entitled to that opinion--I do not see how you can say he does not mean it.
BattleChimp Potemkin
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From what I read in his stories, he is not anti-gun. He is anti-nut job. Look at what he writes. He focuses on personality flaws and mental complexes, with guns meerly as tools. He seems to be a more "guns dont kill people, people kill people" type.
You'd think that King would be ranting and raving against alcohol, wouldn't you??
Afterall, it was not a firearms toting "redneck" who terribly injured him. It was a drunken driver who ran over him and permanently disabled and disfigured him!! To this day he suffers ongoing pain from that incident.
King is a good writer... but he's also a blatant hypocrite.
L.W.
Afterall, it was not a firearms toting "redneck" who terribly injured him. It was a drunken driver who ran over him and permanently disabled and disfigured him!! To this day he suffers ongoing pain from that incident.
King is a good writer... but he's also a blatant hypocrite.
L.W.
wheelgunslinger
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If you read the entirety of the EW editorial, then you'll see what he was talking about wasn't a blanket ban of guns. He didn't say anything about being fully against the firearm, at all.
Saying he's anti nut-job is quite poignant.
All he's asking there is how did a nut job like Cho get a 9mm and kill all those people. I asked the same question when I heard what happened. I also wondered why no one shot him, then remembered that schools are gun free zones.
He wrote this on imagination and violence, eschewing stereotyping people based upon what they write. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036014,00.html
I think it's a stretch to say that King is an anti- based upon this excerpt.
But, think as you like.
Saying he's anti nut-job is quite poignant.
All he's asking there is how did a nut job like Cho get a 9mm and kill all those people. I asked the same question when I heard what happened. I also wondered why no one shot him, then remembered that schools are gun free zones.
He wrote this on imagination and violence, eschewing stereotyping people based upon what they write. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036014,00.html
I think it's a stretch to say that King is an anti- based upon this excerpt.
But, think as you like.
RenardSubtil
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If you want a lil laugh about the "gun knowledge" in this series, you may want a look at the comic book series that was spawned from this series. They've got a couple pix of the "pistoles" used in Roland's time, including the big revolvers with the sandalwood grips....
Like previous posters already mentioned to a certain degree, there's a bit of artistic license in the writing and that's fine by me because it still made for a great story
Was anyone else crazy like me enough to look into getting a nice lil colt or ruger with a sign of Eld engraved on it? lol
Like previous posters already mentioned to a certain degree, there's a bit of artistic license in the writing and that's fine by me because it still made for a great story
Was anyone else crazy like me enough to look into getting a nice lil colt or ruger with a sign of Eld engraved on it? lol
The Annoyed Man
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All I know is that he wrote the novella "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" which was later made into one of my favorite movies of all time. The man can write.
icebones
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what about in THE STAND, this is from memory, so dont quote me, but he says something like
"the new M1A that could fire 20 glass tipped round per second"
or something like that.
i dont know, Mr. King may (or may not) own a gun, but what was he talkin about there?
"the new M1A that could fire 20 glass tipped round per second"
or something like that.
i dont know, Mr. King may (or may not) own a gun, but what was he talkin about there?
tommytrauma
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Ran across a video that made me remember this thread. Seems Mr. King doesn't hold our enlisted troops in very high esteem.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/90023.html
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/90023.html
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I would love a pair of old-model vaqueros in .45 Colt with the sign of Eld engraved in the grip.
Then again, I do agree with most posters. His writing trailed off about the time his substance abuse did.
I only have read his older works. His newer stuff just isn't up to par.
Then again, I do agree with most posters. His writing trailed off about the time his substance abuse did.
I only have read his older works. His newer stuff just isn't up to par.
theotherwaldo
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I've never been able to stand King's work.
I bought most of his early stuff unintentionally, a-dollar-a-box at the auction. Christine made me laugh, and I used Firestarter as firestarter. It seemed appropriate.
Steven King's name never comes to mind when I'm doing reader's advisory duty at my library. There are so many that are better, after all.
Never mind his fear of guns. Folks that write like that are usually afraid of just about everything, anyway.
I bought most of his early stuff unintentionally, a-dollar-a-box at the auction. Christine made me laugh, and I used Firestarter as firestarter. It seemed appropriate.
Steven King's name never comes to mind when I'm doing reader's advisory duty at my library. There are so many that are better, after all.
Never mind his fear of guns. Folks that write like that are usually afraid of just about everything, anyway.
Aguila Blanca
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I've seen some Italian-made 1873 SAA clones with that setup. I've also seen a Uberti SAA clone with a funky sort of hammer block thing built into the hammer. Recollection is very fuzzy on this, but wasn't there some sort of law or regulation that required any imported handgun to have some kind of safety? This were just some of the gizmos that creative minds ... created.1911Tuner said:
The liberals, of course, would label all of them "loopholes." That's one of their tactics when the stupid laws they write don't have the expected results, because people simply manufacture guns that comply with the laws. So the antis resort to calling compliance with the law "taking advantage of a loophole."
If they wouldn't write so many idiotic laws, there wouldn't be so many "loopholes" to be "taken advantage of."
TexasSkyhawk
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Stephen King has more screws loose than a '66 Corvair driven by Ralph Nader and gassed up by Al Gore.
When my wife was with the networks (info babe) back in the 80's, she interviewed King at length--she's a native Maine girl. She showed me the transcripts--both on the record and off the record.
The guy was freaking loony-tunes back then, and I can't imagine he's gotten any saner or less arrogant.
He's also about as anti-gun and anti-military as any one individual can get. But his publisher and agent find ways to stitch his mouth shut. But arrogant insanity like that always finds a way, and an audience.
Jeff
When my wife was with the networks (info babe) back in the 80's, she interviewed King at length--she's a native Maine girl. She showed me the transcripts--both on the record and off the record.
The guy was freaking loony-tunes back then, and I can't imagine he's gotten any saner or less arrogant.
He's also about as anti-gun and anti-military as any one individual can get. But his publisher and agent find ways to stitch his mouth shut. But arrogant insanity like that always finds a way, and an audience.
Jeff
You said it, sport!
I have no use for SK for personal reasons. I haven't read his books for years and will never do so again. All I can say is that if I mentioned my mother's maiden name, that alky SOB would know exactly what I'm talking about.
Sorry, but I did tone my sentiments down for the High Road...
BruceRDucer
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....hey
So? The author likes to be safe!
LOL
In fact, I better go check might mine!
Besides, sometimes the cylinder on a .380 can be loaded with Super Duper magnum ammo, and that's what really sends the bad guys flying.
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So? The author likes to be safe! LOLIn fact, I better go check might mine!
Besides, sometimes the cylinder on a .380 can be loaded with Super Duper magnum ammo, and that's what really sends the bad guys flying.
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Where it counts is in how he acts politically and who he promotes.
The line in the article quoted has another just before it that makes me wonder about King's stance on guns, not just handguns:
Does anyone have any more info about how King has spoken on guns or if he supports - Brady bunch, etc?
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