Stoeger 2000 Defense for Home Defense...

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...thoughts on the Stoeger M2000 Defense???...inertia operated semi auto shotgun in 12GA with pistol grip stock for Home Defense???...

I already have a very nice Scattergun Technologies TR870 (Wilson Combat Border Patrol) for this role but you know I can't leave well enough alone...I won't be selling the SGT TR870...

I have been told that the kick will be greater than the 870 pump...but I have been told by a few now who have these that the kick is less than their Remy 11-87 so...

...been told it is a diamond Benelli/Beretta in the rough...made in Turkey...

I have seen them advertised new on closeout locally for under $400...and, well...I can't leave well enough alone so...I would appreciate your thoughts and experiences...I have also seen an 11-87 Special Duty (or something) used with a 20" barrel...looking very nice used for about $50 bux more...

Thanks,

Bill
 
I don't have the defense model. Mine is a wood stocked 28" barrel model. With that said I wouldn't mind having one of the defense models at all. My M2000 has functioned flawlessly.

It is the same as the Franchi I12 in that the recoil spring is around the magazine tube, and not in a tube in the butt stock as is the case with the Benelli's. So, it is the same principle (Inertia operation), but not the same gun.

Recoil is a very subjective thing. If the recoil is more than an 870, then given the same ammo the only reason I could think of is that the 870 is heavier. Some folks will shoot very heavy loads with reckless abandon and claim they don't feel a thing. Others will shoot very light target loads out of a heavy gun and claim it nearly tore their shoulder off.

As far as the 11-87 is concerned, I am not a fan. I had one and it was very troublesome. Most folks like them.
 
The Stoeger has a good reputation. Being a semi auto, I doubt it recoils any more than a slightly heaver 870. I prefer the 870 for HD, but I would prefer the 2000 for hunting. I like light semi autos as they are easy to carry and recoil less than pumps. Also follow up shots are quicker as you are better able to concentrate on the the target.
 
I ended up with an old 1100 in very nice condition...thanks for the input and I'll share more later since I took this apart to clean it and am having trouble with the reassemble...;)
Bill
 
The Back Story...while helping my older brother out looking for something for a Home Defense shotgun had he looking at every conceivable type and make of shotgun, I rekindled the fire in me for another shotgun...

Yesterday I found a Stoeger M2000 Defense NIB on closeout (Dick's Sporting Goods for those interested) and asked the question here for some opinions and experiences...

While talking to the GF's Dad, he mentioned that I tell my brother that he had some shotguns he doesn't use anymore...since my brother bought a Wingmaster last night, I said, I'll take a look...

GF's Dad tells me how his favorite shotguns are the 1100s as they have been accurate and trouble free for him over the years...I tell him the 12GA is nice and he says "It's yours." (I paid him more than he was asking but less than I would have anywhere else)...

So...now I have a nice blue steel and walnut Remington 1100 that I would like to make into a Home Defense shotgun...change the barrel, perhaps add a magazine extension to match the barrel length and any other "upgrades" that are necessary...no Ghost Rings...the bead is fine...

any thoughts, comments or advice would be appreciated...

Bill
 
My first thought was to be careful on cutting back the barrel length of the 1100. It is a gas operated shotgun and needs some barrel length beyond the gas port to function properly. You may also have to increase the port size slightly to get good function on a shorter barrel.

What this all means is that if you shorten the barrel to 18" for HD you may render the gun inoperable - even with an expanded gas port. So do some research on how short you can go, and still get reliable function, before you dig out the pipe cutter.

Other than that I have nothing but praise for the 1100 and no other warning flags so to speak. I prefer the 2&3/4 inch guns over the 3 inch magnums as they have a dual gas port and can be tuned a little easier. On the 1100 this is basicaly just a barrel thing.
 
I'm with you on the 2 3/4" over the others...I know that Remington used to make an 1100 police shotgun (it has given way to the 11-87) and they still do ar recently did make the 1100 Tac-2 which had the 18 1/2 barrel with matching 6 shot mag...I will contact Remington for some guidance and I'm hoping I might get straight answers (some customer service reps for gunmakers can give you strange answers)...
Thanks,
Bill
 
From past experience anything less than 21 inches starts giving you problems that have to be dealt with.
 
From past experience anything less than 21 inches starts giving you problems that have to be dealt with.
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That's my impression as well. It is not only about the amount of gas but the length of time it is applied to the system. That is to say that opening up a gas port gives you more gas, but the distance between the gas port hole and the muzzle, gives you the duration of time the gas is supplied before the projectile leaves the barrel.

It's that factor of timing that usualy will not allow a 1100 to function well with a barrel shorter than 21" . For HD that should still be OK .
 
How does Remington do it on their 11-87 Police shotgun and 1100 TAC-2 shotguns that both have 18 1/2" barrels???...

By the way...I finally got someone at Remington Law Enforcement to return my call...they say many refit Field guns into Police/Home Defense shotguns and it shouldn't be a problem if I replace the barrel...the other things on my list are just preference...

Bill
 
The 11/87 has a modified gas system. You can not interchange barrels either. You should be able to find a shorter barrel on line for your 1100 in the $150 price range. This would be much better than a cut down barrel.
 
Test that 1100 before stoking it with defence loads. I bought an "old" 1100, and it was not reliable with anything except game load bird shot. It was so worn that defence loads were not reliable, and I ended up replacing the whole trigger group. The problem sort of went away, but I can't depend on my 1100. I do have a Maverick 88 and Benelli M1Super90 Tactical, so I am still covered well.

I have spoken to several other shooters that have used 1100's for 3 Gun matches, and over the years, the guns have become unreliable, down to a friend who's 1100 became a single shot at the last match. One opinion from a very qualified trainer (former Royal Marine and SAS Instructor) is that the 1100 action is a bit too light duty for moderate to heavy defensive use.

Now, I really LOVE my 1100. I have owned one for over 25 years, and have always had very good service from them. I just learned from experience, and YMMV.
 
thanks for the feedback...this one is used but I took it down to clean it...it wasn't really filthy...dirty but not filthy dirty...I don't think it was shot ALL that much...
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I think I'm getting out over my skis and need to slow down...In a week I've gone from helping my brother look at shotguns, to buying an 1100 with a wild idea of making it a wood stocked 1100 TAC shotgun...adding the shorter 18 1/2" bead barrel, matching +2 magazine, a R-3 Limbsaver...then I added having the guts all upgraded to police parts, having it Park'd...

I'm still going to wait on prices but my "bargain" 1100 TAC Walnut is beginning to approach an 11-87 Police...frustrated and disappointed...

Bill
 
well, I decided to keep the 870 Wingmaster in service as the HD shotgun and I'm going to make (provided the price doesn't get out of hand) the 1100 into an 1100 TAC 4 (Competition Master)...I'll post pics if the planets align...:D
Bill
 
Looks like you went with a different barrel rather than shortening the original. What is the barrel length now, and how does it run ?
 
looks nice, but I bet you spent a fortune on it. Then again, you bought the Scattergun Tech gun. So money obviously isn't a big deal.


To be honest I probably would have gone with the Stoeger and here's why : You can get one already mostly "set up" for what you want for around 400 or a little less and to my knowledge you can add an extension for 40-50 bucks. By all accounts they're pretty dang good guns.


I'm sure you'll like the 1100 though. I'm kinda weary of "converting" guns these days. I've wasted a lot of money doing that to be honest. From now on I've decided to just save until I can get the exact gun that is as close to what I want as possible, unless the gun being converted will be truly one of a kind...


as far as the "kick" of a shotgun, ALMOST anything meaningful is going to recoil. it just comes with the territory. there are ways to minimize though, and if it's an issue to you you definitely made the right choice in that regard.
 
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now we shouldn't make assumptions ;)...I bought the Scattergun Tech...BNIB from the guy who had it built...I paid about what Remington wants for a new 870P...

...as for the 1100...well...the whole conversion cost me about the same as the Stoeger...so I made out there as well...

mnrivrat,

...the upgrades I did made this basically a Walnut stocked Remington 1100 TAC 4...it has a 22" vented barrel, 9 shot magazine, bead sight (I can add the HiViz fiber optic sight anytime)...I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet in this config...the parts came home last night...

Thanks,

Bill
 
now we shouldn't make assumptions ...I bought the Scattergun Tech...BNIB from the guy who had it built...I paid about what Remington wants for a new 870P..
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you got a GREAT price then, and in that case, give or take a little it's definitely worth it.
 
thanks...that's why I bought it...built on a never shot NIB 1980 Wingmaster...previous owner never got to shoot it and needed to sell...price was nice so I said, why not...Merry Christmas...

Bill
 
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