Straight wall cartridges for Illinois deer?

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Sometimes pre-owned guns will sell for more than MSRP.

All depends on availability. Right now Ruger Hawkeye Scout rifle 308s are selling for around $1500.

Not to mention a plethora of now out of production firearms…but I’m sure those don’t really count for the point you intend.

Either way, you negotiated well on the Henry.
 
When I first started hunting deer in Wisconsin, there were a lot of counties(generally ag land with open terrain) that were shotgun only. Some were shotgun first two days and then rifle. Was always told it was a safety issue, as supposedly there were no trees to stop bullets and those areas were mostly 80-120 acre farms with houses and domestic animals in close proximity to each other. Also had to do with amount of hunting pressure contained mostly to small wood lots and windbreaks. Most of these areas had more liberal antlerless seasons than rifle areas, so it wasn't trying to limit kill. In fact many of us that hunted rifle areas would take our smoothbores and head to those shotgun counties later in the season to try and fill our tags with a baldie. Then came the Blaze Orange and Hunter Safety requirements. Hunting accidents dropped dramatically. Small farms were bought up and made into larger ones of 240 acres or more, with access to those private lands becoming very limited. The idea that those areas were any less safe for rifles than others, became moot. When those counties were opened up for rifle there was a rush on rifle sales in the area, as hunters wanted all that extra range to make it easier to kill a deer. In actuality, the kill numbers did not go up as drastically as folks thought, especially after the initial year. Just so many deer along with the elimination of the liberal doe seasons. Even with the use of rifles our deer herd flourished, especially in the southern section of the state, where once they did not hardly exist. Limited access to those private lands along with hunters now wanting to shoot quality animals instead of just "meat" has created a herd that has made for driving rural roads at night a dangerous proposition. Now even with unlimited antlerless tags and extended seasons, and crossbows legal for everyone during archery season, we can't keep the numbers down on private land.

Having used rifles, shotguns, handgun caliber carbines and handguns for hunting deer during the gun season, I can honestly say that while it's nice to have the extra range, I doubt if most folks are going to see a dramatic increase in the amount of deer they kill, just because they now can use a handgun caliber carbine. Even my lil' Ruger 77/44's effective range is no more than my 870 slug gun with a rifiled barreled when using sabots, or is it any more accurate. Today's slug guns are not the same full choked, bead sight model 97 I used when I was 14. Still, in the hills of west central Wisconsin, very seldom do I need a firearm that shoots more than 80 yards. Kinda why I hunt primarily with handguns any more. Those deer running across the lower field 200 yards away can run to the neighbors to get shot. Even tho I have a ol' ought-six in the safe that would have made them easy, I don't mind. Ain't the kill anymore but the hunt.
 
@buck460XVR nice write up on the changes in Wisconsin. I would add that a large part of the increase in the deer population was the change in the laws around taking deer illegal in the early 80s. With the changes poaching was nearly eliminated. Then the size of families decreased and the need for a freezer full of venison.
 
I would add that a large part of the increase in the deer population was the change in the laws around taking deer illegal in the early 80s. With the changes poaching was nearly eliminated.

You are correct WisBorn. I believe that was when the fine for taking a deer illegally went from $100 to $1800. Suddenly, that 40-50 lbs of venison got really expensive. I believe that was about the time when the "Poacher Hotline"( 1-800-TIP-WDNR) came about also.
 
Dang! Passed background check. Had receipt. Took 35 minutes to have the clowns check, double check, check each other’s check and get approved to take a freaking single shot rifle home. Glad it wasn’t black.
 
I think if you read the bill carefully, you will find that only single shot rifles using straight wall pistol cartridges are legal.
In order to make my Henry .44 magnum lever action legal (that is a single shot), I bought a replacement magazine tube, removed the spring, and cut a 1/4" dowel rod the correct length to fit in the middle of the spring as I reinstalled it. This modification will not allow any rounds in the magazine tube and only single rounds must be fed through the ejection port.
Do you have written confirmation that what you are doing is acceptable? Knowing some game wardens, I'd be wary. I'm contemplating doing the same with my Marlin 94.
 
Do you have written confirmation that what you are doing is acceptable? Knowing some game wardens, I'd be wary. I'm contemplating doing the same with my Marlin 94.


^^^This. Our state has a DNR chat, where you can ask any question about legality and have a definite answer to your question within 24 hours or less. You can even print a "confirmation" e-mail, if the answer is something a warden would question.
 
Do you have written confirmation that what you are doing is acceptable? Knowing some game wardens, I'd be wary. I'm contemplating doing the same with my Marlin 94.
No, I do not have any confirmation that it is ok nor have I talked with a game warden. It is no different than putting a plug in a pump or semi-automatic shotgun to limit the magazine to two shells and one in the chamber for a max of three (the legal limit for deer hunting in Illinois). In my case, the plug will not allow any rounds in the magazine, effectively making it a single shot rifle that can only be loaded through the ejection port. If a game warden stops me, I can hand him some rounds and my rifle and challenge him to load more than one round into the rifle.
 
I've lived in Illinois all of my 77 years and one thing
I'm sure of is that the DNR is not run by hunters, outdoors men or people who understand guns.
I will be sure my modifications are approved first. And have a copy of it.
FWIW, I hunt my own land and believe the enrage no rights on myndomain, accepting the fact that the animals are defacto owned by the state.
I have a single shot Henry and a NEF ready to go but want to hunt with family heirlooms
 
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