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Hummmm ? Let me see ! NOPE ! Too darn heavy to carry around all day. I'll stick with a handgun.
 
hunting season

It's dove hunting season here, nobody pays any attention to long guns.
 
Originally posted by fly320s

"Yes, I would.

I'd prefer to carry a rifle in a car, just because I'm lazy. But when I leave my car, I'd rather have the rifle with me to prevent its theft, first, and to provide for my security, second.

As for scaring the public... ever heard of total immersion therapy?

Get enough people carrying guns openly, and soon enough people will be come accustomed."

That was the effect I was thinking of.
 
Hey Keaner

You are definitely wrong when you say that "no amount of practice" would make a handgunner as accurate as "an average rifleman". I have done extensive practicing with revolvers when competing in PPC and metallic silhouette. I have shot reliable 4 in. groups at 100 yds with revolvers using tuned loads. I have outshot my own rifle groups when shooting with revolver butt supported on my hands resting on the ground, and shooting a rifle from a prone position. Normally, semi autos won't do it. It is a rare standard semi that will shoot a 2 in group at 25 yds in my experience. Now granted, I would agree that an untrained person would shoot a rifle more accurately, since a rifle is going to be jerked off target less by a bad trigger pull. And additionally, I would shoot the rifle better if I actually supported it on a stable platform, such as leaning against a tree or resting on a solid forearm rest. I also know that the best riflemen can shoot better, using sling support and stiff shooting jackets etc. I carried a revolver for a long time on duty, and always felt that I could more than hold my own against an untrained rifleman for accuracy. Not necessarily in firepower. You can't argue against 30 round mags.
 
You are definitely wrong when you say that "no amount of practice" would make a handgunner as accurate as "an average rifleman". I have done extensive practicing with revolvers when competing in PPC and metallic silhouette. I have shot reliable 4 in. groups at 100 yds with revolvers using tuned loads. I have outshot my own rifle groups when shooting with revolver butt supported on my hands resting on the ground, and shooting a rifle from a prone position. Normally, semi autos won't do it. It is a rare standard semi that will shoot a 2 in group at 25 yds in my experience. Now granted, I would agree that an untrained person would shoot a rifle more accurately, since a rifle is going to be jerked off target less by a bad trigger pull. And additionally, I would shoot the rifle better if I actually supported it on a stable platform, such as leaning against a tree or resting on a solid forearm rest. I also know that the best riflemen can shoot better, using sling support and stiff shooting jackets etc. I carried a revolver for a long time on duty, and always felt that I could more than hold my own against an untrained rifleman for accuracy. Not necessarily in firepower. You can't argue against 30 round mags.
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OK, I stand corrected. Conceptually it didnt make sense that someone could take somethign with as short of a barrel as a handgun, and be anywhere near as accurate as a rifle. Although, I did not even take revolvers into consideration (failure on my part), I still have a hard time imagining how it would work.

I figured the poor accuracy of a handgun (again, I was thinking autos I guess, i have very little experience with revolvers) would make it impossible to shoot that accurately.

I am a VERY poor shot, and have only been shooting often 4 months or so, and feel that with my rifle, I could outshoot most handgunners (of course, there are exceptions).

Anyway, glad to hear about you, and thank you for correcting me.
 
Hmmm... I would actually have to say no, I wouldn't. A rifle is more of an offensive weapon: you can "reach out and touch someone" with it. I'd rather leave that in the car, and have a handgun with me...

Now, if I KNEW I was gonna need the rifle? I wouldn't go where I was planning on then... ;)
 
I have, in the sense of going from the range to the car, car to house etc... and out on 'public lands' like Nat. Forest, BLM, etc ... no problem.

Legal or not, slinging a "homeland security' rifle over your shoulder and heading down to the local Micky D's is just inviting trouble.
 
Here in Minnesota, it is legal, with a carry permit, to carry as many short or long guns as you can tote at once. :)

I've never tried marching down Main St. thusly, but it's nice to know I could.
 
Here in Minnesota, it is legal, with a carry permit, to carry as many short or long guns as you can tote at once.
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Same here in CO, though I haven't found a good way to conceal my AR-10A2 carbine without a trenchcoat. It's kinda heavy too.

Legal or not, slinging a "homeland security' rifle over your shoulder and heading down to the local Micky D's is just inviting trouble.
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+1. While I wish it were an acceptable practice, openly carring an EBR is far from it. I have to admit that if I saw someone walking around with a long gun in an area where you don't expect it, I would give them my undivided attention and have my hand on my pistol the whole time. In this day and age, people toting rifles in public (at least those who are obviously not hunters) are usually bad news.

Open carry of a handgun is a bit more hazy. I have in the past, and out here it is acceptable (though it does draw attention). I have encountered LEO's while openly carrying and they remained professional. However, I have generally refrained from doing so in more urban environments simply to avoid the hastle.

That said, I definitely prefer to carry concealed. Not only is it more discreet from a public standpoint, it gives you the upper hand in a bad situation. If the BG knows you're armed, you are an immediate threat and therefore a target. I'd rather have the suprise element. Sure, open carry would deterr some criminals, but for those who are hellbent on committing a crime it would only mean you die first.
 
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Legal or not, slinging a "homeland security' rifle over your shoulder and heading down to the local Micky D's is just inviting trouble.
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+1. While I wish it were an acceptable practice, openly carring an EBR is far from it. I have to admit that if I saw someone walking around with a long gun in an area where you don't expect it, I would give them my undivided attention and have my hand on my pistol the whole time. In this day and age, people toting rifles in public (at least those who are obviously not hunters) are usually bad news.
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I just had to bring this one up, but I recall in another recent thread the discussion was about people who say "people who carry guns are looking for trouble." In my not-so-humble opinion, it don't matter whether it's a rifle, shotgun, sidearm, or anything else right down to bare hands; hunting trouble is hunting trouble and carrying for honest reasons is just that. I think the carrier's attitude is a factor in determining whether or not they're trouble or not. But if somebody just labels somebody as trouble because they're carrying, then they've just committed a grave error towards the fellow citizens. People, in general, carrying rifles in public are only bad news if you beleive everything you see on the 6o'clock news.
 
all I can say is that you must be slow with the pistol,

if you can lever an action or thumcock a hammer, AND shoulder a slung rifle as fast as you can draw. Is that draw from a concealed shoulder rig, groin rig, or ankle rig, or what?
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The pistol is in a holster on my cartridge belt. The grip would be halfway between wrist and elbow. Having a shoulder that don't work like it used to don't help.

For the benefit of others, and I'm talking defensive use here:

The Winchester carbine is slung muzzle down with the butt behind the right shoulder. All it takes to get it into action is to bring the barrel forward with the right hand while rotating the weapon so the sling falls off the right shoulder. I bring my left hand to the action and fire from waist level (requires knowledge of instinctive shooting) for close in, then the butt to my left shoulder if a follow-up shot is needed. Or I can just shoulder it to begin with. I can rack the lever or thumb-cock and fire quite quickly. Racking the lever and firing from waist level can be sped up by tripping the trigger with the thumb- looks a lot like something Chuck Connors would do (except he had a screw in the lever to hit the trigger as he slammed it shut). I didn't invent this and neither did Hollywierd. I got some of my method from some historical articles Sheriff Jim Wilson wrote in Shooting Times.
 
Having been to Israel for a few days for work, I saw both long arms and handguns worn openly, and I must say the handguns "looked" more common. The guys with rifles were off duty army guys and the ones with handguns were civilians. the rifles just looked odd.

Would I? probably not, but only because I can carry a handgun concealed. If I couldn't I'm not sure what my answer would be.
 
Slung rifles tend to bang against merchandise when shopping. Getting in and out of the car is a pain.
 
Generally, no. But in some cases, yes.

Camping in an isolated area deep within a national forest? Maybe.

Shopping? No way.
 
I wouldn't...
1)too heavy
2)I suck with long guns
although I would drive a Bradley if I could ;) (a little better on gas than my Crown Vic.) :rolleyes:
 
In an urban setting, no. It's too much of a hassle, and it's not all that necessary. I would, and do, keep one in the car. I think a pistol is less hassle, and more appropriate for that setting.

Obviously I keep one on my person, or at least handy when I'm in a rural setting, particularly in an area with a serious wild/feral predator problem.

Now, were the entire country to go the way of Vermont, I would have no problem carrying a pistol openly, and would reserve concealed carry for when I have to look nice.
 
I had the "opportunity" to do this the other day. I had to park down the block from a gunsmith's shop and walked a little ways with a Win 94 Trapper. I got a few second looks, but no "alarms." But this is West Texas. :cool:
 
I had the opportunity to carry an M60 this way when my GOV (M1008) blew the lower radiator hose. Not having a way to secure it, I slung it and walked the 2 miles to the local Chevy dealer in Bountiful Utah. There was a history , that dealer had sold me a lemon S-10 and we had been disputing for a month or so.
Walk into the service department of your local unfriendly Chevy dealer with an M60 and watch them start crawling under desks and tables! Slipping and slidin' on a $#!T coated floor to get out of there :D.

When I travel by motorcycle or bike to hunt or shoot, I often sling up and go. When not carrying that way I have a saddle scabbard modded to fit a bike. Get funny looks sometimes but most people respond positively.

Sam
 
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Strange question # 2

Would you carry a compact nuclear weapon openly if it were legal? You know, in case the shtf or something.
 
Its legal in Pa. (the rifle, not the nuke) Even in Philadelphia if you have a carry permit.

Do I? No. 1. Rifles are cumbersome to carry and hard to set somewhere safe. 2. I don't want the extra attention from the blissninnies my town is infested with. 3. I believe a handgun is adequate to take care of the threats I may expect to encounter.
 
Strange question # 2

Would you carry a compact nuclear weapon openly if it were legal? You know, in case the shtf or something.
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Think about it. If you see somebody carrying a compact nuke, the S has either started H-ingTF or it's about to.

Oh, and the military tried it with what is basically a nukular hand grenade. It proved itself very unfeasable in a hurry. The soldier had to dig himself a hole, throw the grenade, then jump down in the hole before it went off. The "Peter Pan" was so bad they scrapped it most hurriedly.
 
Back to reality...

It is NOT my opinion that people with rifles (or firearms of any kind) are all 'looking for trouble'... I'm saying if YOU were sitting at the local burger shack and someone came in with a rifle slung (say across the front tac-style) and wasn't dressed like a cop/swat guy etc YOUR situational awareness would likely jump a few notches too... and YOU are a gun guy. (And a good guy I might add.)

Now imagine the work a day sheeple on his/her lunch hour trying to cram a few thousand calories into their harried lunch break sitting outside the same diner, they see YOU, fair minded level headed ready for anything guy, leap at the ready from his tactically sound 4WD Urban Assault Vehicle, survey the landscape with steely eyes behind mirrored/tinted shooting glasses and SLING a rifle over your shoulder to go grab some chicken fingers. Some people might call that act threatening. Someone MIGHT call 911.

DON'T come crying to me when you make the evening news.

Because, lawfully or NOT, you are trying to prove some obscure point about people's perceptions... guess what? The last guy (that anyone remembers) who took an Uzi to a Micky D's shot the place up, the last guy that visited a playground (that anyone remembers) with an AK killed a bunch of kids... are you denying the fact that the people around you with kids (or without) just MIGHT 'situationally' read you as a threat because you have a rifle?

We don't live in Israel. We aren't talking about seeing someone in a rural area who might be involved in lawful hunting/target shooting etc.

We aren't talking about an SHTF scenario like NO... where I certainly can understand openly packing a long arm... just everyday getting by going to work doing your thing.

Mustanger98 brings up a good point ie--"I think the carrier's attitude is a factor in determining whether or not they're trouble or not."

But my question is what would your point be in carrying a rifle? (other than because you can) Because I certainly cannot gauge your attitude at 20 paces, nor could anyone else.
 
I have a really hard time seeing how the free exercise of any part of the Bill of Rights in public is "threatening".

I know a lot of people do though, and not necessarily just about the 2nd Amendment. Something to ponder, if you ask me.
 
I seem to remember a guy here in OH carrying an shotgun around openly everywhere before we had CCW (might as well still because our CCW is worthless but anyway). I was going to carry a shotgun on one of the open carry marches (since I was under 21) but I never could make it to any of them.

Remember there a lot of adult people that can't own handguns because they are not 21 and live in communist states like Ohio that prohibit handgun ownership of under 21 peoples.
 
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