Street lockdowns proposed for Baltimore

[ZeSpectre]

At times like this I find myself wondering just what the critical mass of proactive citizens would need to be for a sort of "do it ourselves" civil protest (enough to be effective and too many for the cops to arrest).

I'm hardly a fan of vigilante actions but you've gotta wonder if eventually some group of citizens isn't going to say "that's it, the group of us are going out to patrol our own damn streets and we'll leave whomever we catch duct-taped at the end of Oak street for the cops to find in the morning".

 

[Nigel]

I'd be careful where in Texas you relocated to. I hear Houston is still overrun with some of New Orleans finest.

 

[Nigel]

Complete the circle of those 20 foot walls ringing the beltway and I could care less what the hell goes on in B-more at that point. Eventually they'll run outta each other to kill.

Until they rid Baltimore of crack and heroin, nothing's gonna improve significantly.

 

[fletcher]

anyone hiring IT geeks out there?

There have been a number of IT positions open around me recently. Hit up monster and see what's around.

 

[Glockman17366]

This sounds like martial law to me...
And, if passed, one hell of a class action lawsuit against the city...enough to bankrupt Baltimore.

BTW, let's knock off the nuke talk...I'm only about 30 miles away and I don't want those refuges in PA.

 

[Thin Black Line]

If only this could be expanded to the wealthy neighborhoods!

LOL, that's not how serfdom works.

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

> There have been a number of IT positions open around me recently. Hit up monster and see what's around.

Warning: RTP is an oasis of culture (no offense intended) - be sure you're okay with the lifestyle and viewpoints you're going to be dealing with before you move out there. On the flip side, the beaches are excellent, and land is cheaper than in the DC-NYC metroplex.

Of course, I'm partial to northern VA, with it's huge job market and insane variety of culture. Smithsonian in the afternoon and honkytonk in the evening if that's your thing. Since you're in MD, that's an easy drive, and if you live in Arlington, the metro makes it easy.

I kind of like monkey county, but anything on the east end of the green line is a freaking warzone.

 

[helpless]

Anyone read 1984.

 

[Kharn]

Helpless:
Martin O'Malley (aka, Boy Emperor/MD Governor) definitely read it. He thinks we're 23 years behind schedule.

Kharn

 

[SWMAN]

Here's a real brainer, why doesn't Baltimore and Philly for that matter hire, more cops and put them in the high crime areas and arrest those people who commit any crime, no matter how petty, in the lockup? I'd bet that would catch a few outlaws and take them off the streets.

 

[Chui]

"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt, 1783.

This is all part of the plan, guys. Hopefully, the mainstream will not pay much attention to any of this such that they have their legal precedent.

I fully expect that the economic crash we're facing will be used to incite/foment racial conflict in our major cities. Then we'll see this "precedent" applied to where the Elitists truly wish it to be... in a neighborhood near you (and me).

P.S.

Blocking ingress/egress, searching and confiscating weapons would not be the first time this has been done. I "believe" Chicago public housing comes to mind.

 

[Dionysusigma]

SWMAN: Here's a real brainer--why doesn't Baltimore (and Philly, for that matter) hire more cops and put them in the high crime areas and arrest those people who commit any crime, no matter how petty, in the lockup? I'd bet that would catch a few outlaws and take them off the streets.

Ginger ale in the nose hurts.

Overcrowding is a major problem already, and the dangerous ones always make bail.

 

[SoCalShooter]

Well, what the heck - if it "works" in Bagdad why won't it work in Baltimore ?

I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Standing Wolf]

"Desperate measures are needed when we're in desperate situations," City Council Vice President Robert W. Curran told The (Baltimore) Sun.

Stalin surely would have concurred.

 

[george29]

I have heard that Baltimore has been absorbing people from NY and NJ. Apparently these people are the "Gun's are bad" type and are gaining influence. Once again, Elitism raises it's ugly head, AKA "When I call for gun-control I don't mean the gun-in-my-purse-Feinstein-Law". Come out West people, we don't have as many Starbucks, and our pay-scale is lower, but you will have less intrussion and be with people closer to your own level of thinking.

 

[modifiedbrowning]

Come out West people,

Please don't.

 

[ctyatty]

inner city crime is a problem of uncivlized young blacks

CRIME: THE INNER-CITY CRISIS

BY DAVID B. KOPEL

One of the central strategies of the gun prohibition advocates has been to tell Americans that they are all in immediate peril of gun violence. The strategy may involve exaggerating the rate of gun accidents, or announcing an epidemic of suicide among mentally healthy teenagers-caused by gun availability. Or the strategy may attempt to place Americans in fear of gun crime.

For example, Fortune magazine touts handgun prohibition while warning its wealthy readership that the recent rise in youth homicide puts all Americans at imminent risk, for "this onslaught of childhood violence knows no boundaries of race, geography, or class."l The Journal of the American Medical Ass'n insists "It's not limited to the inner city."2

To the contrary, the problem of youth homicide is very heavily concentrated in black males aged 15-19.3 In order to respond effectively to the crisis, we must attempt to understand its nature, and must not be misled by the efforts of some gun prohibition advocates to distract attention from the most important factor in any homicide: the motivations of the person perpetrating the crime.

go here for the entire article

http://www.davekopel.com/CJ/Mags/InnerCityCrisis.htm

 

[jpk1md]

washingtontimes.com/metro/20070522-105308-7679r.htm

Baltimore council nixes 'martial law'

By Tom LoBianco
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 23, 2007

Baltimore lawmakers have rejected a proposal to allow the mayor to lock down streets and close businesses in high-crime zones, the most recent attempt to curb violence the city.
The proposal, which was introduced by City Council member Robert W. Curran, a Democrat, also would have granted police extended search powers.
"I think Councilman Curran's heart was in the right place," said council member Kenneth Harris Sr., a Democrat and candidate for council president.
Violent crime continues to vex city officials and politicians during this election year.
There have been 110 homicides so far this year, and 265 non-fatal shootings.
The 15-member council unanimously rejected Mr. Curran's proposal Monday but acknowledged the city's violent-crime problems.
"While I do agree that desperate times call for desperate measures, I do not agree that trampling on citizens' civil liberties is the answer," said council member Keifer J. Mitchell Jr., a Democrat also running for mayor. "This bill gives the mayor tremendous power, tantamount to declaring martial law, and I have grave reservations about that."
Mayor Sheila Dixon, a Democrat, since taking office in January has attempted to return the city to a policy of community policing, instead of former Mayor Martin O'Malley's zero-tolerance policy.
"Mayor Dixon has put together a public-safety strategy that she thinks is working," said administration spokesman Anthony McCarthy. "She appreciates Councilman Curran's enthusiasm and putting the issue of violent crime on the table for further debate. And she's pleased that her council colleagues want to give her strategy a chance."
Mr. Curran did not return phone calls to respond to this story.
Representatives of the Baltimore City Police Department said the discussion is essential but such tactics as searches and closing businesses goes too far.
"There's human lives being wasted every day; it's a violent city," said Paul M. Blair Jr., president of the city's police union. "We're the ones who have to carry out the law, [but] we really don't want to get into enforcing martial law."
Gov. Martin O'Malley, a Democrat, received broad support in 1999 in his first run for mayor when he promised to adopt New York City's "zero tolerance" style of policing.
While it helped launch Mr. O'Malley's political career, it also drove a wedge between city police and the neighborhoods in which they were working.
"While mayor for seven years, Martin O'Malley reduced violent crime by nearly 40 percent and proof of this success is the record investment throughout Baltimore," O'Malley spokesman Sasha Leonhardt said yesterday.

 

[MarshallDodge]

I see a vicious circle here.
Bad politicians get in office and make bad laws, good people leave town, bad people take over.
Reverse the cycle and you will have a good town back again.

 

[sm]

All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. - Adolf Hitler

 

[Rumble]

"I think Councilman Curran's heart was in the right place," said council member Kenneth Harris Sr., a Democrat and candidate for council president.

Mr. Harris, you thought wrong. People with their "hearts in the right place" don't think up schemes to abuse the rights of their fellow men and women.