Stuck Case Adventure

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Last week I ordered yet another antique rifle from Simpsons Ltd., this time a model of 1889 straight pull 'Schmidt-Rubin'. The rife arrived promptly and it came with a muzzle cover, sling and a little spring clip that locks out the magazine disconnect feature. Wood, external metal and bore all appeared to be in excellent shape given the rifle's age.

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As is my usual practice, I took the action out of the stock for a close inspection, cleaning and oiling. Before putting into the rack, I tried chambering an empty 7.5 Swiss case to see whether it would balk -- this early rifle used a cartridge was about a half-millimeter shorter than the typical GP11 case. Problem: the case would not even enter the chamber. A close inspection revealed an unexpected issue, an apparent ring of brass firmly stuck at the rear 1/4 of the chamber.

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I don't blame Simpsons for missing this, as I also overlooked it several times while swabbing the bore. However, there were clear signs that a previous owner had tried and failed to remove it, so I anticipated a struggle.

I recalled that either Anvil Gunsmithing or Midway's YouTube channel had suggested using Cerrosafe to forcefully grip a stuck case, the idea being to fill the chamber then tap it out with a mallet and brass or aluminum rod placed down the bore. I had these things on-hand, so yesterday I went for it. I stripped the rifle down to its barreled action, stuck it into a padded vise and applied some Mobile One around the rear of the broken case with a Q-Tip as lubricant. I then plugged the mouth of the chamber with a tight patch, liquified a goodly quantity of Cerrosafe in my Lyman lead ladle using a propane torch and poured it in from the breech. The first try did not budge the brass, so I resorted to a precision screwdriver and some gingerly hammering to carefully peel the rear section of the stuck brass toward the center. On my next attempt this provided enough surface for the Cerrosafe plug to achieve a solid grip and I was successful knocking it loose.

Though there was a surprise -- it turned out that the entire front 80% of a case came out!



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With the broken case removed, inspection showed a number of burrs in the chamber that had evidently trapped the last case. One distinct possibility was that an unwise round of GP11 had been fired, which this springy action allowed to expand beyond its elastic limit in multiple directions.

I made an improvised hone from some rolled 300 grit wet-or-dry, a shotgun brush and an electric drill and knocked down the high spots so the chamber would accept a steel conversion insert for 32 H&R pistol ammo (I also have a .308 Flex Hone on order for finer polishing later on). I tested this combination out this morning and produced a couple of reasonably good groups at 15 yards at my indoor pistol club.

That's about all I plan to use this old rifle for anyway, so I'm happy to leave things there for now.

BTW, at the range I made a point of removing the bolt and checking the bore between shots -- with a barrel this long, I wanted confirmation that the pistol bullets had enough oompf to make it out the muzzle!
 
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In the 60's every store had a bin full of those rifles. Woolworths was selling them for less than $10.00. I wish I had ten dollars then.

They're going for around $400-600 today. That's a whole lot more, even considering inflation, but not too bad given contemporary milsurp prices. Mine cost $485 with credit and shipping fees.

I've never encountered one of the even earlier 1869 Swiss Vetterli tube magazine repeaters, but decades back when the last of their rimfire ammo dried up I understand they were practically giveaways. Now a good example of the 1869 will fetch more than 1889s in similar condition.

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BTW, I made a short video clip of my visit to the indoor range last week, where I took a few shots with the 1889 using a .32 H&R chamber conversion sleeve. It produced a couple of 15 yard groups that were pretty good, considering:

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[The reason I am manually cocking the action before working the bolt is to remove the resistance of the striker spring. This gives me more control over extraction, which in turn helps to prevent ejecting the expensive chamber adapter across the room and losing it in some dark corner.]
 
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That's some real; "Git'ir done!" stuff right there mister.
Roll your sleeves up with an "I got this" rather than crying and moaning about being heard done by.

Thanks Todd!

Full disclosure: I did consider calling up Simpsons and telling them about it. Then I took a deep breath and figured the stuck case would be less trouble to remove than going through the hassle, delay and ill-feeling involved in calling them, boxing up the rifle and shipping it back.

There was also the distinct possibility that I might not get another rifle in such otherwise good condition by way of exchange.
 
BTW, I made a short video clip of my visit to the indoor range last week, where I took a few shots with the 1889 using a .32 H&R chamber conversion sleeve.
Before you shoot that thing with the "big" bullets, note your thumb placement. It looked like your natural grip position puts your thumb on top of the wrist right behind the cocking/safety knob. You're going to give yourself a pretty sore thumb if you don't make sure to place it off to one side before pulling the trigger. Been there, done that. :oops:
 
Before you shoot that thing with the "big" bullets, note your thumb placement. It looked like your natural grip position puts your thumb on top of the wrist right behind the cocking/safety knob. You're going to give yourself a pretty sore thumb if you don't make sure to place it off to one side before pulling the trigger. Been there, done that. :oops:

Good point! The LOP on the 1889 stock is a bit short and there is less room for my hand than on my K31.

I learned about the importance of thumb placement on a friend's Martini-Henry in the original 577/450 -- after the first shot I understood why they put that checkered oval thumb rest on the right side!
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I shot the video clip while I was still fumbling about, trying to figure out how to both choke up on the stock and get a firm purchase on the trigger, which has a long first stage.

My whole posture isn't that great because I'm sitting on a plastic kitty litter bucket that I've been using as a combined carryall and seat. At some point I need to think up a way to get my butt another 4" or so above the floor.
 
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That's some real; "Git'ir done!" stuff right there mister.

Roll your sleeves up with an "I got this" rather than crying and moaning about being hard done by.

Me too, I call those *adventures*.

Adventures in self-sufficiency!

Todd.
In "adventure" motorcycling they say the adventure doesn't start until something goes wrong.
 
I had that happen in my Ruger MkII pistol at the range a while back. Nothing is worse that an unexplained issue popping up and ruining a good day at the range. I had no idea why it started jamming, I thought it was a batch of crummy Aguila ammo.

Like your rifle, when I got home and pulled the bolt I saw that the entire head came off leaving a really stuck case tucked deep in the chamber. Luckily a super tight patch tapped lightly with a mallet dislodged it without having to do the chamber cast method you had to do. It’s never happened since, so it wasn’t a chamber-roughness issue just a faulty case I guess.

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Im glad to see you were able to diagnose the problem and get the fine old girl up and running again. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I had that happen in my Ruger MkII pistol at the range a while back. Nothing is worse that an unexplained issue popping up and ruining a good day at the range. I had no idea why it started jamming, I thought it was a batch of crummy Aguila ammo... It’s never happened since, so it wasn’t a chamber-roughness issue just a faulty case I guess.

Thanks for the photos!

The amazing thing is how rarely this happens. I recall reading in Frost's Ammunition Making how insanely tight the requirements are for the brass alloy used in rimfire cases -- just a tiny bit too hard or soft and the ammo is unusable, even dangerous!

https://archive.org/details/AmmunitionMakingNRAByG.Frost1990
 
A quick follow-up: the FlexHone dingus I ordered through Amazon arrived yesterday and I gave the chamber eight quick passes, following the video directions.



The .308 Winchester unit is 12" long, which is just barely long enough to reach into the 1889's chamber! The chamber finished up much cleaner than it's probably been in decades, though after polishing, those chamber defects (nicks) really stand out.
 
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