"Stuck in the 1700's" (PA)

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Dear Mr. Derby,

"Another of my students was knifed to death in a dispute over ownership of a handgun."

Obviously, if we had adopted reasonable knife control laws, such knife tragedies would not happen.

Did you know that more small children drown every year than are killed by gun violence? That more children 12 and under are killed in bicycle accidents than by bullets? That more high school students are killed by high school football than high school gunfire? That more Americans are killed by baseball bats, rolling pins and other blunt objects than by "assault weapons"?

Why do we want to go on killing our children?

Yours truly,
 
These are rights, sir. Granted to us in our Constitution. And neither of these rights are "going down" unless they all go down and we write a new Constitution

Dirkster also addressed this quote by Coyote (whose letter was spot on up until this sentence) and I just want to reiterate the difference. These are rights we are born with, not granted by any entity, especially a government. The ammendments enumerate some of these basic rights and are a restriction on the government as to what they can and can't do!

A right can never be removed, something granted can be taken away by the grantee!
 
***!?!!??!

"In a free society we must rely on the police." - Whaaaaat!?!?!

In a free society, we are forced to rely on the state for protection? FORCED!?!?! Screw that... what the $%&@ kind of freedom is that?

What color is the stripe down this guy's back? Red or yellow?

Get the tar and feathers.
 
I find Mr. Derby's piece disturbing but typical of the way liberals feel. Many teachers feel the way he does. His writing suggests that the mere existance of firearms results in these tragedies and puts no responsibility on the parents, his pier group, or the young adult (teen). They are all such good kids.... right? It is up to the parents to detect these changes in habits or personality and try to do something about it.
 
Mr. Derby said he had observed the slow departure his student developed from school due to his fascination with gangs and guns. Well isn't it prudent for he as an educator to let this boys parrents know of this behavior with gangs and absence from school? Wouldn't it be prudent of Mr. Derby to also try to steer this student in the proper direction rather that to just find blame in guns for the cause of all thats wrong with americas youth.
 
Don't worry, just keep practicing your firearms skills. We are slowly but surely devolving into anarchy. Mr. Derby isn't the future, Mad Max is.

Americans, if they were not more interested in who killed JonBenet Ramsey than who's killing America, would disband public schools and turn off the tv transmitters for ten years of "psychic rehab."
 
I find Mr. Derby despicable, at the first sign that Len was becoming interested in gangs he should have done something to intervein. Derby and his fellow teachers have failed this kid. He outright states that he knew Len was becoming involved in gangs and he and his colleagues did nothing (that I can tell). In my oppinion, they are just as guilty as the gang members that murdered Len.

Before Mr. Darby tries to place the blame on the tools used in Len's death, he should look at the faillings in society that lead to Len's death; his parents, his friends, his enviroment, and the adult influences that were in his life (i.e. his teachers). If Mr. Darby actually cared about these kids he would be reching out to them and tring to keep them out of stituation where they might be stabbed or shot.

If he was my childrens' teacher I would pull them from the school.
 
He lives near Camden - I might think guns are bad too if I lived there.

He should come and see what guns outside Camden are used for - like self defence and hunting and recreational shooting and collecting.
 
Camden is probably more dangerous than Colonial America was, even with Hessian thugs and wolves. I don't think the answer to Camden's problems is gun control, maybe better education is the solution. ;)
 
K-Romulus said:
this is why we 2A-supporters are probably doomed to the dustbin of history in one generation or less.

I have to second Hillbilly's response to this gloomy prediction. I don't think people will just stop caring about the 2nd Amendment. It's just too ingrained into our society.

I also have to say, true to form, this thread has predictably produced the same type of scenario that I personally see all over the internet, everytime. One person writes an opinion piece about the evil of guns, and the majority of responses are pro gun responses and it becomes tee off time on the author. Now granted, what else could the response possibly have been on this forum, but nonetheless, it is the same everywhere, at least where I get into discussions. Awhile back this woman, a stand up comic, wrote a sarcastic piece about her anti gun views for the Seattle Post Intelligencer online. When opened up for feedback, people went berserk, on both sides, but the overwhelming majority of responses were pro gun, and I believe that is a fairly liberal area (Seattle). One of my current favorite places online for debate, www.arguewitheveryone.com, has several gun control threads. One lone voice will pop up every now and then with an anti view and then spends the next month getting trounced by pro gun voices. Obviously these are only two examples but they represent a larger overall phenomenon that I would call a "par for the course" type of reaction.

All that being said, I think the current culture of gun ownership/2nd support is strong and intact. I will say that I try to do my part as best I can by taking college kids to the range. They absolutely love it. Will it take and add numbers to the cause? Who knows? I think it helps.

Don't be so gloomy, the guy was from NJ, not Texas. If we get teachers in Texas, Arizona, Alabama, etc. etc. etc. etc saying those things...then I may raise an eyebrow.:scrutiny:
 
Those of us gun owners who live in NJ still raise eyebrows when we read garbage like this, too.

This guy teaches in Camden, voted the most dangerous city in the US for two of the last three years. I don't understand how this guy can even mention Philadelphia, considering where he teaches.

Camden is also the heroine and crack capital of the Middle Atlantic States. It got so bad a couple of years ago, that the governor decided that the Camden Police couldn't handle it. So, he ordered the NJ State Police to aid in patroling the streets. It actually got worse. Many people from Philly come to Camden to buy their drugs, because they are less likely to get busted. Drug whores come to Camden , too, to ply their trade. They are all over the place. Anyone who has ever commuted to Philly via Admiral Wilson Blvd ( RT 30) has seen them lingering under overpasses starting around 7AM.

To make matters worse, the police do little to stop the crime. I have driven through Camden, past known drug houses, where the customers are virtually lined up outside. All of this as patrol cars are cruising the neighborhood. Hell, if I know where the drug houses are, the police must.

I'll bet this teacher doesn't actually live in Camden. If he did, he'd have a gun himself. :fire:
 
I Almost Forgot!

You folks who live in Texas, Arizona, Tennessee, etc., crack me up. Do you really think there is nothing for you to worry about, regarding the Second Ammendment?

Let me remind you. People from the Northeast tend to move south and west. Who do you think is ruining places like California?

A good friend of mine moved to Maui a few years ago. He tells me it is full of tree hugging anti-gunners from the west coast, many of whom are originally from the the east coast. Now they are ruining Hawaii for gun-owners. Don't make the mistake of thinking this can't happen in your state.
 
I have to second Hillbilly's response to this gloomy prediction. I don't think people will just stop caring about the 2nd Amendment. It's just too ingrained into our society.

Being optimistic feels good.

But it doesn't take all the people to stop caring. Just a majority. And that percentage--the percentage that doesn't care--is growing just as rapidly as is the shift of the Republic toward democracy. Its growth is being encouraged by Big Media every step of the way. Gradually, the sheep are filing into the corral. Even many "conservatives" now have little or no concern for the RKBA.

When that number of sheep that don't care reaches a majority, and democracy completely replaces the Republic, the legislators will have no trouble passing laws to do away with the right to keep and bear arms. And the optimists will say, "I don't get it...we were doing so well...we were making headway in concealed carry!"

Concealed carry doesn't matter half as much as securing the right to keep and bear real weapons. You know--the ones that are actually effective in combat against oppressive governments. While you're busy celebrating the anthill of concealed carry and the saving of the molehill called "assault weapons," and saying our situation is improving somehow, the enemy is gathering momentum toward destroying the entire mountain of rights.

They are currently mustering strength for another wave. They will resume the attack. Our victories have been mere small battles, while the trend in the war belongs to them. Our victories have been insignificant--their victories STICK. Ask anyone how likely an NFA repeal is. Or a GCA repeal. Or a FOPA repeal. WHAT THEY WANT, THEY WILL GET EVENTUALLY. They will pass the ban again and worse. They will do it because they can, and because they now know that no one will stop them. Most people won't even complain.

The "center" of politics is now to the left. Look at what a "moderate" Republican stands for. Behold how few true conservatives remain, and even out of those few, how fewer still favor the sort of liberty the Founding Fathers wanted for everyone. Can you think of anyone other than Ron Paul anywhere in national government who has that level of dedication to liberty? I can't.

And look at our situation now compared to 30 years ago one more time. Are firearms more generally accepted now than they were then? Not by a long, long shot. People used to be able to buy them almost anywhere. People used to be able to mail them. Dealers were more numerous. Licensing was less enforced, and the regulations less strict. "Domestic violence" prohibitions were inconceivable, as were "restraining order" prohibitions. Ammunition restrictions were unheard of. Machine guns could be obtained for reasonable prices, and parts imported easily. Explosives weren't considered "evil." People still preferred favoring the individual over the government until it was proved that the individual couldn't be trusted.

The left wing has created the stigma for weaponry of all kinds, and they are making it stick in the minds of the sheep. So keep hoping "doomsday" will never arrive. Frankly, I pray you're right. But I know history, and I know government. And thus, I know you're wrong.
 
Forgive me for not sharing your defeatist point of view. I am optimistic that's true. But not merely for self reassurance. I live in Providence which is an east coast urban elite. Most of the people I've met from here have never even seen a gun except for on TV. Yet everyone I've taken to the range, without exception, loved the experience. Once fear is removed from the issue, it's not an issue. that's why I'm optimistic. Just have to keep eliminating the fear factor.
 
We cite the Second Amendment and see ourselves as proud individuals jealously defending our individual rights. The shotgun is still strapped to the door of the pickup.

Hey, anyone know where I can pick up one of those shotgun door strap things for my hickup truck? I've never seen that, but it sounds good to me!
 
I have to second Hillbilly's response to this gloomy prediction. I don't think people will just stop caring about the 2nd Amendment. It's just too ingrained into our society.

The issue isn't whether the Second Amendment is going to expire, it's whether America, as we have known it, is going to expire. The only way we are going to preserve not only the Second Amendment but our other essential Constitutional protections, in the LONG run, and that could be as short as one generation, will be to draw a hard line around that part of the nation that still cares about those values. Much of America is already a lost cause, fellow gun rights advocates, and we are well-advised to understand that striving for some mythical national "unity" on this matter will only lead to the eventual utter dissolution of all of our gun rights.
 
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