plexreticle
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I hope jmr40 is trolling.
Student arrested for wearing NRA shirt
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The whole fiasco was a disgrace to freedom. No way that shirt should have disrupted anyone except the "do it my way or the highway" crowd. I was SHOCKED that this happened where it did more than anything. That town is in the rugged mountains of SW West Virginia where guns are a way of life. But it is the local "town" and like much of the education system the school has become a training ground for radicals.
I actually had plans of moving to that area. I wasn't moving to that town but to one of two nearby towns. The mountains there are nothing short of spectacular. They have ATV trails that are fantastic to the extreme and there is an organized system for permission to ride there. There will be no problems with trespassing if you stick to the trails if you can follow them that is.
But mainly the people there impressed me tremendously. They have true hospitality there and a genuine respect for others. It's a rare place IMO but obviously the worst elements in our country are encroaching in that region too. I really planned on retiring there. That will not happen now because of this incident. I wrote the mayor of Logan and thanked him for making it clear to me that Logan Co. is not the place for me. I don't think I will even go back for a visit. I'll spend my tourist dollars where they treat people with more respect. What they did was disgraceful in the extreme. It's been all over the local tv station news programs and pretty much everyone is shocked that it could happen in that location. When Joe Manchin put up that copy of the cap and trade bill and shot it in that commercial he was appealing to the people I know from those areas of West Virginia. Now apparently Joe has decided he should oppose the NRA despite the fact that his state completely abandoned his party over such things in the past. He's leading the fight to get the gun bill back on the agenda. He's reminding us that fully 90% of all people want laws that already exist. I guess the party leaders put the squeeze on him or something. Whatever the case he just made it clear to me that the problems WV has had for many years are not cleared up as much as I thought they were. Politics is dirty business everywhere but in WV people take it very seriously. I've never seen so many political signs in people's yards anywhere. The great Kennedy and Johnson "War On Poverty" which meant free money to WV citizens still puts voters in the booths pulling the lever marked D. I will be avoiding that situation as much as possible now. I could go on about Arch Moore and how he set back real government in that state 50 years but there's no point here. It's about the abuse of power of the gun grabbers here. And wow do they ever abuse their power. Dirty business that politics stuff and WV seems to take the lead in that department all too often.
I actually had plans of moving to that area. I wasn't moving to that town but to one of two nearby towns. The mountains there are nothing short of spectacular. They have ATV trails that are fantastic to the extreme and there is an organized system for permission to ride there. There will be no problems with trespassing if you stick to the trails if you can follow them that is.
But mainly the people there impressed me tremendously. They have true hospitality there and a genuine respect for others. It's a rare place IMO but obviously the worst elements in our country are encroaching in that region too. I really planned on retiring there. That will not happen now because of this incident. I wrote the mayor of Logan and thanked him for making it clear to me that Logan Co. is not the place for me. I don't think I will even go back for a visit. I'll spend my tourist dollars where they treat people with more respect. What they did was disgraceful in the extreme. It's been all over the local tv station news programs and pretty much everyone is shocked that it could happen in that location. When Joe Manchin put up that copy of the cap and trade bill and shot it in that commercial he was appealing to the people I know from those areas of West Virginia. Now apparently Joe has decided he should oppose the NRA despite the fact that his state completely abandoned his party over such things in the past. He's leading the fight to get the gun bill back on the agenda. He's reminding us that fully 90% of all people want laws that already exist. I guess the party leaders put the squeeze on him or something. Whatever the case he just made it clear to me that the problems WV has had for many years are not cleared up as much as I thought they were. Politics is dirty business everywhere but in WV people take it very seriously. I've never seen so many political signs in people's yards anywhere. The great Kennedy and Johnson "War On Poverty" which meant free money to WV citizens still puts voters in the booths pulling the lever marked D. I will be avoiding that situation as much as possible now. I could go on about Arch Moore and how he set back real government in that state 50 years but there's no point here. It's about the abuse of power of the gun grabbers here. And wow do they ever abuse their power. Dirty business that politics stuff and WV seems to take the lead in that department all too often.
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this kind of thing is happening for a reason. the anti's know they get press time for making a big enough deal out of it. the problem is, the anti gun press, could care less when the kid returns to school, with or without an apology, wearing the shirt or not. i am at a loss, of how to "fix" this situation. if i was a principle of a school, it would be a lot easier to ban anti gun clothing, but it would obviously have to ban pro gun clothing as well. then of course, the kid wearing an anti-gun garment would have to be kicked out of school, to which the media would jump all over. and most likely all but crucify the principal for. this really is headed to a scary place. because eventually, if the anti gun people push it far enough, it is going to end in a bloody mess. and i am NOT talking about another school shooting rampage. which i half believe could be orchestrated by the anti's, or worse (THE administration)..
Disruption? How can passively wearing a shirt cause a disruption????
Seriously???? WOW!!!! :banghead: Maybe they should be flogged in public square too. Or maybe they should be sent to a work camp above the arctic in Alaska. Maybe some other sort of freedom sqaushing Stalinist tripe...
Fleetman
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@JustinJ - they indicated they thought the tags could start an arguement concerning gun control. I don't relate guns being on-board any vehicle displaying NRA tags/decals anymore than I relate idiots on-board any vehicle displaying Obama/Biden tags/decals.......wait a minute - did I just type that out loud?
Carl N. Brown
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Jared went through the first five class periods with no one noticing the shirt and he was not calling attention to it. Then in line at cafeteria, a teacher saw the shirt and took it on himself to create a disruption where there had not been one before. Jared went to the prinicipal's office with the teacher. They called the cops and was accused of inciting a riot, later reduced to "obstructing and officer". Jared's "obstructing the officer" was talking over him in the office, not one of the original charges.
From my experience with West Virginia law, "obstructing" is the least charge they offer when it turns out the officer was in the wrong with the first charge or charges.
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He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.
Jmr40,
Thank you for sharing your vision of the future of our country. However, many states disagree with your position;
"The idea that you may resist peaceful arrest ... because you are in debate about whether it is lawful or not, instead of going to the authorities ... seems to me not a blow for liberty but, on the contrary, a blow for attempted anarchy."
http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/c...arch="citizens should resist unlawful arrest"
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.
Jmr40,
Thank you for sharing your vision of the future of our country. However, many states disagree with your position;
"The idea that you may resist peaceful arrest ... because you are in debate about whether it is lawful or not, instead of going to the authorities ... seems to me not a blow for liberty but, on the contrary, a blow for attempted anarchy."
http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/c...arch="citizens should resist unlawful arrest"
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
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Deltaboy1984
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The Officer needs some retraining along with the Teacher and Principal.:banghead:
R.W.Dale
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The Officer needs some retraining along with the Teacher and Principal.:banghead:
The officer simply needs to be released back into the unemployment line.
Any officer that would behave as this one did would have absolutely 0 compunction about following any order given.....
I would suggest that people email the mayor and the police chief and the school superintendent and be sure to mention your feelings on vacationing at the Hatfield McCoy
ATV trails. I know I don't want to go anywhere near a place that is so vehemently anti-gun.
ATV trails. I know I don't want to go anywhere near a place that is so vehemently anti-gun.
JustinJ
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Should any shirt "disrupt" another? No, but in a high school environment they absolutely can. I don't support what the school did but I do see their point and wonder how many here would be so outraged if the same incident happened to a kid with a shirt promoting an anti-gun or anti-christian message.
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No one was "causing a disruption" other than an anti-gun teacher. Then, at worst, the student should be sent home. There was no reason to have the cops called to enforce a school dress code.
Seriously???
Well, Senator Schumer, that's a very, very dangerous road to take.
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I would be. The Bill of Rights doesn't only apply when it's convenient. It's one thing if the kid is yelling something during class, but just wearing a t-shirt? Give me a break. If a student is having trouble concentrating because of another kids t-shirt, that student needs to simply not read the t-shirt. Trying to blame someone else's t-shirt for your own academic failings because it was distracting is ridiculous; it's just an excuse but clearly the real problem lies elsewhere. Real life is full of distractions. Just don't read the shirt.
3 years ago boys were made to leave school for wearing American Flag T-shirts on Cinco De Mayo...in California. I know many of us don't want to claim California as part of the USA...I know many in California don't want to be part of the USA....but it still is...and these boys were made to leave because they were wearing shirts with the flags of their own nation...the nation of that school....which hopefully had an American flag flying out front that day. Why? Because it was on the anniversery of a minor battle in Mexico which isn't even a state holiday in Mexico....more of a drinking holiday in the United States.
Yeah I find that outrageous
I would if they were wearing Mexican flags and were forced to leave as wellhttp://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html
if you were a troll from a brady gun control site you could not have made a worse comment. no kid would ever get thrown out for a gay pride shirt. why would you even want to be on a gun forum anyway
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Thanks!
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I would think that might quiet the crowd a bit
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Its not his fault his shirt was causing a disruption. It was the other sides' views that caused the disruption. So we have to do what someone tells us to do if something we do makes them uncomfortable (ie:disrupted)?
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I see what you're saying but I doubt Gay Pride or Peta shirts cause near the disruptions that an NRA shirts do. But we don't want to be disruptive now do we?
Sorry...sarcasm over..
^^^^^^^This. If a student was wearing an Obama/Biden shirt or NEA shirt, there wouldn't have been an issue, but since the teacher disagreed with it, the "problem" arose.
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In my youth, I would've viewed this ^^^ as bull hockey, conspiracy theorist ramblings. I wish the same was true today.
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Like I saw on another thread yesterday: I Couldn't let this thread close without telling you that was funny
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I don't think the NRA part or the gun graphic was as much a problem as the "Protect Your Rights" caption.
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