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Student arrested for wearing NRA shirt

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ryanxia, Jul 8, 2013.

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  1. Ryanxia

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    Haven't seen this before on here but there was an update that all charges were dropped for this student.

    Honor roll student. He wore an NRA tshirt to school that said "Protect Your Rights" (which there was no dress code against it) and after refusing a teacher to turn it inside out the police were called (of course) and he was eventually arrested for 'interrupting the officer'.

    All ended well with charges dropped, note the part where they say upon returning to school he wore the same shirt as did several other students in support of him (with no incident).


    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/f...a-t-shirt-to-school-dismissed.aspx?s=&st=&ps=
     
  2. Potatohead
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    Heard about this. Sucks. I got a nice new hat from the NRA and it's gotten where I almost feel like a criminal with it on. People looking at me like it says IRA or something. Here in Alabama too, thought that'd never happen. Oh well, I wear it w pride.
     
  3. Ryanxia

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    Good for you. Don't back down.
     
  4. Larry Ashcraft

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    I have a nephew whose initials are NRA. He made a point of wearing an NRA cap all through high school.
     
  5. Walkalong

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    Wear it proudly and never back down, politely of course. Welcome to the fight.
     
  6. Ryanxia

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    That's brilliant lol. We need to think of other things like that that could be passed off as in compliance with some of these crazy policies in schools.
     
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    Larry Ashcroft that was a good one to promote.:) Unfortunately mine would be FUD.:D We all need to stand up and start to take our rights back. The longer we wait the harder the battle it will prove to be. I have been accused of many things by shouting idiots when sporting my NRA hat out in public. The noise has died down a bit lately as now I also often open carry my tricked out 45 Colt BBO revolver at the same time.:scrutiny:
     
  8. Fleetman

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    We just got our NRA registration tags....someone asked me if that was a wise decision to drive around displaying those. I asked how my tags are any different than the thousands of Obama/Biden decals I see on cars?
     
  9. itsa pain

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    but but police are rabidly pro 2nd amendment
     
  10. JustinJ

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    The bigger issue to me is this new trend of regularly using the police to deal with perceived misbehaviors in schools.

    Was the schools reaction because of what the shirt said or just that they saw it as disruptive due to the current controversies surrounding guns and gun control? Do they allow other shirts with messages about highly politicized issues or was he actually singled out? I'm not condoning what the school did but we don't have enough information to know if was actually due to antigun views of the administrators.

    Maybe that someone was pointing out that displaying messages on one's car about guns could potentially invite thieves to break in.
     
  11. jmr40

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    He wasn't arrested for the shirt. He was asked to remove the shirt because it was causing a disruption at school. He was arrested for disoderly conduct when he refused to comply with school rules and caused an even larger disruption. The kid and his dad should both be in jail. We don't need folks like this representing us.

    Nothing new here, students have never been allowed to bring anything to school that caused a disruption. The definition of what disrupts has changed with the times. 40 years ago kids were routinely sent home when boys had hair too long and girls with skirts too short. If they had done what this kid did they would have been arrrested too. The things that caused a class disruption in 1970 and 2013 are far different. The long hair and short skirts wouldn't raise an eyebrow today. Shirts with unpopular messages will. I would have been sent home for that T-shirt in 1970 too. Not because of the message, but because T-shirts were only allowed in gym class. We were expected to dress better in regular classes.

    Like it or not an NRA shirt is going to cause problems just as much as a GAY PRIDE shirt or a PETA shirt. None are allowed, and with good reason. It has nothing to do with gun rights or 1st amendment rights. We all have 1st amendment rights, but that does not give us the right to force others to hear our message. He can excercise his 1st amendment rights away from school. Doing it at school is interfering with the right to an education of every other kid.

    Schools have often left dress codes vague and used the "class disruption" clause in there and trusted kids and parents to use some common sense. Stunts like this are why many schools are requiring uniforms. If parents cannot use common sense, then even the right to choose your own clothes are taken away.

    This is exactly where this is going. If he is allowed to wear the NRA shirt, you set a precident. The next kid who wants to show up in his GAY PRIDE or PETA shirt has to be allowed to wear it too. Then how many will be arrested/ hospitalized after the brawl in the cafeteria. They will all be wearing khaki's and polo's in the school colors next year. No options, no NRA shirt, no camo, no jeans. Just what a committee picks out for you to wear.
     
  12. silicosys4

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    I disagree with the idea that pandering to ignorant public opinion instead of upholding the laws of the constitution is the correct approach. In the 50's it was wrong to send a child home because the length of their hair caused an overreactions from ignorant fellow students and faculty, and it is wrong to send a child home from public school today for a similar reason.

    If your child received enough "objections" to using a pencil instead of a pen, and caused a "disruption" in which OTHER children were the source of this disruption in their reactions, should you send your child home and discipline them for using a pencil, or should you point out that it is your child's right to use a pencil and these "disruptions" are exactly that...perpetrated by others?

    Sorry, I'm not seeing the ignorance and overreaction by others to be a good reason to meekly hide my NRA support.
    I haven't been to public school in about a decade, but when I left, people were wearing PETA shirts and Gay Pride shirts regularly without being discriminated against.
     
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    He was arrested because he refused to allow a police officer to violate his first amendment rights.

    He needs to sue that school district and the police officer.
     
  14. oldbear

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    The student was NOT arrested for wearing An NRA shirt. The student was arrested for obstruction of an officer in his official duty, under the conditions this appears to be a silly move on the part of the officer. As others have shared it is a sad state of affairs that schools now feel free to call the police every time a student does not obey every school regulation, no matter how minor.

    As an aside I really hate it when folks appear to distort the truth just to get attention. It's not a professional or proper thing to do.
     
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    Yup. The fact that they let him back in, with others doing the same thing, and did nothing proves them wrong. Teacher needs to be fired, same as cop, or at least initiate the movement in the press...
     
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    And other students were persecuted for wearing "GAY PRIDE" or PETA t-shirts?

    I didn't think so.

    I GUARANTEE you that the kid NEVER would have been ordered to remove a Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Brady, or Violence Policy Center t-shirt. NEVER.

    It's political indoctrination and discrimination exercised at literal GUNPOINT.

    The teacher's and the cop's careers need to be DESTROYED.
     
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    It's scary that people like this get to vote and serve on juries.
     
  18. Baron_Null

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    Yes, however, the fact still remains that the school administration caused more disruption than the kid wearing the shirt would have in the first place.
    The kid should be in jail for what, exactly? Violating some arbitrary rule set up by a state-run institution that he is has no choice in going to, and then resisting the idiocy? If anything, we need more people representing us like that. More people who say "enough is enough!" to the state, instead of just bending to every whim of government administration.
    So? Are you suggesting that just because boys are allowed to wear long hair in school nowadays that we should encourage the suppression of political thought because it's not "proper"?
    I have some serious doubt about that, but even if that's true, it doesn't make it any more right.
    Do you know what one of the primary purposes of school is? It goes far far beyond just learning history, science, math, and English. One of the main goals that schools have are to socialize kids and get them ready for the adult world. How do you think stifling political opinion for the sake of "not being disruptive" is going to change them as adults? Do you think they're going to say to themselves "Oh, well I shouldn't have been wearing that shirt at school, because it was interfering with the other kid's education." or "If I show this political opinion, I'm going to get arrested." I see tons of people complaining about how "kids these days only care about themselves" and how they aren't involved or interested in politics, yet applaud schools for pulling stunts like this.
    Furthermore, the kid wasn't forcing people to hear his message, he was wearing a shirt. He wasn't going around with a megaphone to people's ears saying "YAY NRA", he was wearing a piece of cloth with his opinion on it. At no point did he start shoving the shirt in people's faces, he simply wore something that reflected the way he felt. As I said before, the real disruption was caused by the school administration causing as much fuss as they have been. Yet, I haven't heard you complain about them interfering with the right to education to those kids at the school.
    Common sense to you is very obviously different than common sense to me. Common sense to you seems to suggest that everything a kid wears must be completely neutral and not in any way distract other kids, while common sense to me suggests that teenagers need to have leeway in determining what they wear to prepare them for their adult life. Sure, some things like graphic images or slogans should still not be allowed, but that's a far cry from wearing a shirt with a political opinion on it.
    As well they should. Schools and the government on the whole have no place in telling kids what political opinions are acceptable, and which are wrong.
    This very much reminds me of the argument that anti-gunners always use when a state is considering concealed carry. "It'll be the wild west" ect. ect. You know who should be punished for starting the theoretical brawl in the cafeteria? The person who threw the first punch. If their self control is so poor that they start a fist fight over differing political opinion, then obviously their problems can't be solved by having people not wear shirts stating their beliefs around them.
    So your solution to this is to allow kids to have freedom, but not too much freedom, just enough to give them the illusion that they actually have some free choice in the matter.

    I take it back, this seems like the perfect way to get them ready to live in today's political and societal climate.
     
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    He was in compliance with the rules. The teacher enforcing the rules (and the one who actually caused the disturbance -- in the lunchroom, btw, not in class) did not know the rules and the kid did.
     
  20. Baron_Null

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    That makes it even worse
     
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    After reading this thread, I'm left wondering who I do want to represent me/us...
     
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    Why should anyone be "disturbed" by an NRA t-shirt? To side with the ill-informed, acting in an irrational way, and say that otherwise peaceful citizens NEED to be arrested for wearing such a benign shirt is cause for some self-scrutiny. In a free society, where free speech is held high, making a statement of support for a non profit organization that stands FOR our freedoms should not be suppressed. As a matter of fact, doing so might be cause for complaint of violation of one's RIGHTS in this country. That is the infringement in this case; not pandering to the censors and unjustified critics.
     
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    I wore a ton of stupid shirts when I was in HS and was almost never asked to turn them inside out. Big Johnson, marijuana leaf, NWA, I don't call 911 with gun. The one they did ask me to turn around was a Bevis and Butthead tee. Oh the 90s.

    It's whatever I think is rustling feathers at the time. Bevis and Butthead and Mortal Kombat where all being censored during that time.
     
  24. Ryanxia

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    It's disgusting when people like Jmr40 think this kid should be in jail and his father who was not even there. And to make such a bold statement without even reading the article (because if he did he would see that this was NOT against school rules) and even if it was against school policy that means jail time for an honor roll student AND his family?

    Now that I read the comments I should have titled the thread differently, but if you don't even bother to read the story that the thread is about, why offer opinion?
     
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    I couldn't agree more. The school administers are the one that turned the shirt into a disruption and not the student.

    Kids already wear shirts like this and why in the world should they not be allowed to? I may not agree with PETA, but that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be allowed to. Anyone who is going to pick a fight over a gay pride shirt needs to grow up and join the 21st Century.

    Actually that's exactly what the 1st Amendment guarantees. We can speak our minds and people can ignore us if they want (the teacher and other students could have chosen to ignore the shirt) but they can't stop you from saying what you want and certainly not to avoid a "disruption." Certainly by your logic we should lock up anyone who expresses an opinion that slightly diverges from popular opinion because it might upset someone's feelings and maybe cause a disruption in someone else's day; it's a ridiculous and absurd notion, completely contrary to the principles laid out in the Constitution. People need to learn to mind their own business and if they don't like someone else's opinion, they need to suck it up and not waste police time.
     
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