student brings .22 caliber round to school.....nothing happens

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i work as a behavioral interventionist at an elementary school in wilmington, DE, which is a smaller 'big' city just south of philly. we have a pretty rough population, and i always suspected i would someday have to deal with some sort of gun-related incident sooner or later. i read these news stories all the time about kids doing really innocuous things like pointing a finger like a gun, or carrying around an empty casing, or having a water gun, and school administrators reacting like clowns. today i had my chance to do things right and normally.

a 4th grade teacher told me she found a 'bullet' in some kid's desk and didn't know what to do. i went right down and got it from her, and told her not to worry about it, and i would take care of it....and to not make a big deal of it with her kids. as i figured it would be it was a unspent .22 round, and was all jacked up, like it had been run over on the street. the student whose desk it was in, was not in school; he's a pretty good kid, and his mom i knew to be pretty level-headed and involved. my principal is very reasonable, as well. i showed it to him as would be my responsibility, and immediately told him exactly what it was, and given the condition, that the kid probably found it on the ground somewhere. i told him i had just planned to call home to mom and let her know what was up. he took the round and agreed.

i actually had a chance to see the kid at a basketball game after school. i asked him where he got it. he was really upset, i guess because he knew he shouldn't have had it in school, or maybe at all, once his mom found out. he said he found it in his pocket, which was a strange lie, but i figured he didn't want me to know because he thought he would be in less trouble if it 'just appeared' in his pocket. i didn't press it too much. i did go and call his mom right after talking to him. there really isn't too much else to the story. no one was hurt. the boy had a fright and knows he should not be bringing anything like that to school. discipline is in the parent's hands. and there isn't some ridiculous news story.

i just thought it would be interesting to give some insight into how situations like this can play out. i also concluded that the only way something like this could blow up into some huge drama is if those dealing with the situation, like some administrator, wanted some press time. why else would you make a big deal about it? the child threatened no one, had no gun, and simply was hanging on to a cool, dinged up 'bullet'. take it, tell him he cannot bring these sorts of things to school, ask him some questions to make sure nothing is behind it, and hand the issue over to mom. i am happy to be a part of a non-story, and glad my principal felt the same. imagine what it could have turned into.
 
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* Sigh *

Oh, well.

I guess, in the context of today's hyteria-over-everything, this worked out fine.

When I was in school, ammo in pockets was common enough. Occasionally the science teacher could be talked into pulling the bullet, dumping the powder, and concocting some kind of "experiment" for us.

(Of course NOTHING was as loud as the hydrogen gas + oxygen + spark in a heavily taped Coke bottle. BLAAMMM!)

Cherry bombs were frowned upon, and sometimes even confiscated if you did something stupid enough.

But a .22 round? Yawn. What, is that all your dad lets you shoot?

Yeah. We've come a long way, baby.
 
I'm not going to name any places or name any names, but...

... At the high school I went to it was not uncommon to go hunting before class, throw your gun in the truck, go school, get out of class and then go back to hunting.

I can't count the times I could've stood on the hill overlooking our high school parking lot and pointed out 10 or 15 vehicles that contained firearms and ammunition.

Nothing bad ever happened, no one was ever shot or threatened, no guns were ever stolen. None of the teachers knew, no one told on anyone else.

This was only 2 years ago. Times haven't changed that much ;)
 
What?

Why, there were high explosives in that cartridge!

Nitroglycerine, nitrocellulose, lead styphnate!

Didn't you know that?

Let alone all that poisonous lead in the bullet!

Why, some child might have gotten 3.7 picograms of lead on their fingers and ingested some of it !

For shame! :what:

:horrified hysteria icon:
 
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Given the climate of the day, you did well, carlrodd.

But the climate of the day is sad. I graduated in '72 from a high school in the suburbs of Washington, DC. Virginia 'burbs, not Maryland. We had a rifle range in the basement of the school, and a school rifle team. So I think it's a safe bet we had kids bringing both "weapons" and ammunition on school property. Nobody ever freaked out about this, nobody was ever suspended or expelled, and nobody ever shot up the school.

Sigh!

Not slamming you, carlrodd, just what we've become as a nation.
 
I can't count the times I could've stood on the hill overlooking our high school parking lot and pointed out 10 or 15 vehicles that contained firearms and ammunition. Nothing bad ever happened, no one was ever shot or threatened, no guns were ever stolen.
That’s great. But also that’s not always the way it happens at every school. We had a rifle team in my high school and it was no big deal. In this particular case it is an elementary school not a high school, and of course younger kids are in general much less responsible then older kids. I’m sure there are some kids in that school who have been properly trained by knowledgeable adults and can be trusted with ammo by them selves. But I’ll also guess there are more than a few kids at the same school being raised by those idiots we keep seeing in videos posted here at THR. The principal and carlrodd can never know for sure which kids are which. Even if they did and allow the good kids to bring ammo or even firearms to school it might encourage the not good kids to do so as well.

I think carlrodd, the teacher and the principal handled this one perfectly. Tell the kid not to bring ammo to school again and tell the parents. If he is not supposed to have ammo in the first place, let his parents handle that.

I think I would also keep an eye on the kid for a while. He brought one thing to school he knew he was not supposed to, did he or will he bring something else? If for no other reason then if this kid is on the cusp of going bad maybe getting caught a few times for minor things will straighten him out before he does something major.
 
Matt,

It almost sounds like you and I went to HS together--- except that I graduated in 1989 (mullet anyone?)


John
 
There are a fair number of rational school employees around where I live. Unfortunately, they are saddled with zero-tolerence policies because of the nanny-staters in the legislature that passed the zero-tolerence laws. Without these laws, I am sure that some, if not most, would implement more rational policies.
 
There are a fair number of rational school employees around where I live. Unfortunately, they are saddled with zero-tolerence policies because of the nanny-staters in the legislature that passed the zero-tolerence laws. Without these laws, I am sure that some, if not most, would implement more rational policies.

we have a zero-tolerance policy as well. sometimes you just have to say, "meh".
 
You sure that was a lie? I find rounds in my pockets all the time, and in my kids' pockets too -- sometimes in calibers for which we have no matching guns.

pax
 
Good case of uncommon sense. At some time, we have to believe in the good of our students and treat them that way. They learn from our examples. What did this youth learn? Simple...there are good educators in this world who you can trust. I like a story that ends well.

Note, when I was a principal, many of my students brought their shotguns/rifles to school during hunting season, and simply left them locked in their trunk. We never had any problems.
 
Carlrodd - Good use of common sense. However, i hope you are a member of a strong union. That kid is going to tell his friend who will tell another friend who will tell their parents who will be jumping on the principal, the superintendent, the school board, and calling the media to boot because administrators didn't follow the "zero-tolerance" policy and expell the kid. Of course, you will be called on the carpet, and the school board and administration will make you the scapegoat. You will be fired, and will loose your state credentials. Your union (if you are a member) will sue, you will win re-instatement with back pay, and the whole mess will cost the district $500,000 in attorney fees, etc. that could have been used to help the children. Then the schools will have to ask for another tax levy, and so it goes.

You handled this the right way. But if word ever gets out, you are screwed.

Common sense is not so common - Voltiare
 
Heh... A kid at my girlfriend's daughter's middle school "found" a vicodin "on the gym floor" and promptly ate it.

And "got to feeling woozy" in the hallway.

One can make several assumptions...

1) Kid doesn't get fed enough.

2) Kid's too stupid to live,* since that coulda been ANYTHING.

3) Kid didn't "find" it.

which brings us to four...

4) Kid's too stupid to live,* since if you're gonna do drugs, a middle school probably isn't a good place.

*In the wild, if an animal is too stupid to live, it is removed from the herd, and not allowed to breed.
 
good response. on my last vacation, i took my coat out of the suitcase and wore it in the rain. While rummaging through one of the pockets. i found a .38 special round! i thought, this coat went through airport security and no one saw it (fortunately). I gave it to someone at a shooting range i passed as i did not want to tempt fate a second time. I found the whole thing hilarious, given the silly state of security under which we live.:what:
 
Good outcome! My son and his buddy were riding the bus to school and the buddy dropped a live .22 out of his coat pocket, bus driver freaked. Both boys ended up in the ass't principals office pleading their case, my son was pretty upset , had his hands in his coat pocket and started talking with his hands and out pops (6) .22 fired cases. School policy is you're gone. Well after a heated discussion with the powers that be and the fact that the school use to have a shooting team(all the trophies are in the case at the entrance), the boys took a 3 day suspension and nothing on the record.
 
one of the kids in my freshman world history class brought in a .222 round the other day (and, in fact, I am looking at it right now), and a big ol' buck knife the next day. In both cases, it was a perfectly legitimate mistake on his part. I teach at a small rural school, and because of that absolutely nothing was done about the situation. Much like the original post, thats pretty much all there is to the story. The only thing I told the kid was that if we were in my previous school (several times larger, much more urban) he probably would have had to talk to the cops.
 
Reminds me of a time waaaaaaay back in the 6th grade. We were having an arts and crafts day which we were to make a picture by gluing various small objects to a piece of canvas. The objects came from a box of nuts, bolts, screws, and various other small hardware items and trinkets. One kid was digging and found an unspent .22 cartridge in the box and was gluing it to his canvas. The teacher noticed and took the ammo and promptly dropped it in his pocket. That was the last we seen or heard of it. No cops were called, nobody was suspended and nobody got killed!
 
CARELESS ME!

Odd coincidence.

Just yesterday I happened to find a live .380 round in the pocket of my down vest. It had apparently slipped unnoticed out of the extra magazine I carry there, and I frequently wear that vest to work, after securing my firearm in the car. Good grief, there must be 1/7000 of a pound of pure nitroglycerine in that cartridge!

I wonder how long it had been there and how many times I "violated" policy by going to work with that in my pocket.

(I will now start checking the mags from time to time to insure they are full and no cartridges have slipped out. So now I know why they put those little inspection holes in the magazines. Duh. You live, you learn.)

I have spilled boxes of .22LR in my car and on its hood at various times and have found cartridges buried behind the seat or wherever for months, and once or twice I've found live ones in the space betwixt the hood and the body of the car.

The original post made me think of all this and how careless I must be, but when you do as much shooting as I used to do, there's no wonder these strays will escape from time to time. I used to find empty .22LR casings in places like my pants cuffs and change pockets of my jeans and trapped in my undershirt under the waistband of my shorts all the time.

I still think that zero-tolerance = zero intelligence, and I'd like to see those policies modified to a three strikes you're out or some such policy for trivial things like that.

Kinda makes you wonder if they'd wet their pants if some kid happened to innocently have a .177 pellet or a BB or a plastic Airsoft pellet or maybe a paintball on him.

Holy. Mackerel.

And yes, I spilled a can of .177s in my living room a year ago, and my vacuum cleaner is still finding some of the escapees.

I guess I need a "lead magnet" to re-capture the rest of them.
 
The only thing I wish you had done differently is if you had tried to make sure the kid didn't get really upset. I know that's tough with a 4th grader, but I remember the days of elementary school (a little bit) and I was the "good kid" and whenever I'd get in trouble for something small, I'd get pretty upset.

Maybe it would have been better to tell this kid not to be upset because no harm came of it, and then explain WHY it's bad to have something like that in school. Explain that there are some substances in it which are somewhat dangerous, and that "potentially" if thrown it could "theoretically" go off (although I've never seen it happen personally - and I have to admit to having dropped a fair amount of rounds).

Also explain how in this day and age, things like that could be misunderstood and that while you don't think he meant any harm, other students, teachers, and especially the media might not know that and may make his life more difficult than it needs to be.

I know he's young and all, but maybe it's best to start kids off with a sense of reality and understanding "why" rather than just "I get in trouble for ________ ".

Also, maybe having explained to his mom that you think he just found it on the street and thought it was neat - would have been nice. B/c to be honest, if I was in 4th grade, and I found a cartridge on the ground (and didn't know what I know today), I'd probably think it was the cat's meow too.

Doesn't sound like the kid did anything really horribly wrong. He broke a rule - yes, and had a potentially dangerous item on him - but if you're right, he just found something cool and wanted to hang on to it like most of us would have back then.
 
I took my .22 to school when I was in fourth or fifth grade. I was going to go plinking after school with a friend. The bus driver stopped me as I got on the bus and confiscated it.

I didn't hear anything about it all day. I fretted and worried about what I was gonna tell my old man when I got home. I wasn't as worried about sanctions in school as I was about getting in trouble for losing my gun. When I got out of school at the end of the day, the principal was waiting for me at the exit with my rifle. He asked what I planned to do. I told him I was going shooting and he sternly advised me to be safe. He gave me back the rifle and I went on my way. I had a pocket FULL of ammo all day.

As far as I know nobody contacted my parents. I wonder if that's still on my "permanent record." That was some 25 years ago in rural Arkansas.
 
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