Study: 1.7M Kids Live With Loaded Guns (merged)

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So they call my house, tell me they are doing a study and ask me if I have any firearms. Do they really expect me to answer that question honestly? I would answer no. I would not get indignant and hang up because that would effectively answer the question.

If they put half this effort into keeping kids safe from automobile accidents (the #1 killer) we'd really accomplish something.
 
The statistical correlation is there, but if you look at the ratios involved, the risk is in fact quite low and more than acceptable- especially when storage is affordable. My kids are not going to get my gun safe open unless they're adept at welding, and that's if they were inconsiderate enough to try.
 
If they put half this effort into keeping kids safe from automobile accidents (the #1 killer) we'd really accomplish something.

One could argue that the mandatory seat belt and child safety seat laws are doing exactly that. The data on that I have seen have demonstrated dramatic reductions in child fatalities from auto accidents, particularly the vehicle safety seats.

On the other issue, I have children, and because of that, all of my firearms and ammunition are in secure, locked storage. Back when I was a paramedic, I saw far too many tragedies to do otherwise. There are many, many potential hazards to children, and a prudent parent does what is reasonable to minimize risk to their children.
 
The Seattle-based study found that in homes with guns, there were fewer incidents of shootings when guns were kept locked, unloaded and separated from ammunition.

The most important part of the study. It is hard to get a gun to fire if it has no ammo.

Hard to use for self defense also. :rolleyes:
 
1,400 children are killed by firearms each year

Hmm... Well according to the American Sudden Infant Death Syndrome Institute, there are 2,500 deaths per year from SIDS.
The moral: **** happens, and there are more important things out there to stop.
Responsible gun ownership is important, but this isn't gonna be the smoking gun (tee hee) you can use to grab 'em!

:cuss:
 
If it were really a problem, those 1.7 mil kids would be dead already from gunshot wounds.

Their logic is about the same as my wife's after shopping.

"Clothing is marked up 50%. By buying at a 60% off sale, the clothes were free plus I made 10%."

Then why do they keep billing us at the end of every month instead of sending us a check?
 
One could argue that the mandatory seat belt and child safety seat laws are doing exactly that.

One could argue that, but much of the difference is that medical care is better and cars are simply more crashworthy than ever before.

If you haven't read "Freakonomics," you should.
 
One could argue that, but much of the difference is that medical care is better and cars are simply more crashworthy than ever before.

Are you aware of any studies that actually control for these variables in pediatric survival in car crashes? I am not, and I would certainly like to read any studies that do. If you know of any cites, please let me know. I did a quick Medline search, but did not see anything right on point.
 
Here We go Again -"1.7M kids live with loaded guns: U.S. study"

How do they get these data? Are doctors really violating boundaries that often?

Then again - this is on a Canadian site.

Associated Press

ATLANTA — About 1.7 million U.S. children live in homes that have loaded and unlocked guns, according to what is described as the first comprehensive survey of gun storage in homes across the country.

The study, published Tuesday in the journal Pediatrics, found that 2.5 per cent of children live in homes with loaded and unsecured firearms. Estimates from the early 1990s had put the per centage at 10 per cent. The new results suggest a decline, but that doesn't mean there's cause for celebration, said Catherine Okoro, a study author.

"That's still too many children to be put at risk," said Okoro, an epidemiologist with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The study is based on a 2002 telephone survey of about 241,000 adults and is the first to provide data on gun storage in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, its authors said.

Nationally, 33 per cent of adults said they kept firearms in or around their home. The highest per centage was in Wyoming, where 63 per cent said they had firearms. The lowest per centage was reported in the District of Columbia, where 5 per cent reported having guns at home. The district has long-standing bans on handguns and semiautomatic weapons.

A little more than 4 per cent of the respondents nationally said they keep guns loaded and unlocked, and 2.5 per cent reported having loaded, unlocked firearms in homes where children lived.

Alabama had the highest proportion — 7.3 per cent — of homes in which children lived and guns were kept loaded and unlocked. The next highest states were Alaska (6.6 percent), Arkansas (6.6 per cent), Montana (6.4 per cent) and Idaho (5.2 per cent). At bottom was Massachusetts, with 0.3 per cent.

Researchers said they aren't certain why some states reported higher rates than others, but they believe people living in rural communities are most likely to have loaded guns in or around the house.

That wouldn't explain why Alabama is No. 1, however, said Jim McVay of the Alabama Department of Public Health.
"We have a hunting tradition in the Deep South, but there's no excuse for having loaded guns in the house," said McVay, director of the department's Bureau of Health Promotion & Chronic Disease.

Okoro said she hoped the survey results will be used by state public health officials as they work on intervention programs to prevent firearm deaths.

About 1,400 children are killed by firearms each year, according to CDC estimates. It's not known how many of those are killed by guns left around the house, the researchers said.

But they noted a study published in a February issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association that showed safe gun storage may prevent deaths. The Seattle-based study found that in homes with guns, there were fewer incidents of shootings when guns were kept locked, unloaded and separated from ammunition.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1126009769802_84/?hub=World
 
That figure seems awfully low.

But, for sake of argument, assuming it is true, what can we do to make that number increase, to say, 10.6 million?

We've got a lot of work ahead of us.

Rick
 
Well, - 0 - actually......

"1,400 children are killed by firearms each year"
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They may have been killed by their own carelessness with firearms-

or by an associate's carelessness with firearms-

or by their own willful intent-

or by an agressor's willful intent-

But they were NOT "killed by firearms" :rolleyes:

The more accurate categorization is: "suffered firearms-related deaths"
 
Hey... wait just a goddurned minute...

Wasn't the CDC "gun-research" budget eliminated last decade because they were issuing biased reports?
Okoro said she hoped the survey results will be used by state public health officials as they work on intervention programs to prevent firearm deaths.

"Intervention Programs" equals a "prevention policy" with an army of "preventers" who create data which they hope will be used to pass laws in state legislatures across the nation.

They "hope" because they are biased. This is not scholarly research, this is "agenda research" of the Kellerman/Cook/Hemenway mold.

Rick
 
Well, my three grew up with loaded guns....

And now their kids are growing up with loaded guns.

God willing, my great-grandchildren will grow up with loaded guns....and I hope I'm still here to teach them how to shoot.
 
A duplicate thread, but not in this forum. I think it sits better right here in Legal/Political.
 
Sure I have loaded guns in the house with Kids! This is Billy's 20-gauge over-under, he's 13. Suzie has a Glock 19 that she will carry on her 18th birthday, she's only 14 now though. And little Matthew is very good with his new pump action .22LR, he's 6, we're starting him young.
 
It's all to ramp up the Fear (the most effectively used weapon in modern history) of the ignorant sleeping masses to cry for more changes the totalitarians want.

What the Corrupt Corporate State-Run Mainstream Media (CCSRMSM) doesn't want anyone to know is that crime / firearms deaths are on a twelve year low so far; they have nearly everyone believing the opposite.
 
If their numbers are correct and they admit that they don't know how many loaded guns in the home have caused deaths, my guess is all guns that caused accidental death were loaded, but if one takes the sum total at 1,400 there is a .09% rate of deaths due to homes with loaded guns. Ladders account for a much higher death rate. Children deaths from not being in car seats is a much larger problem.
IIRC Fox News reported that the total number of homes with loaded guns was reduced since this was first published. Garbage plain and simple.
Gun owners are typically a very safe group the death rate due to accidents would always fall below other activities. This is what Al Gore meant when he said they played on our fears. This is fear mongering at its best. :)
 
OK, lookit.

They concluded that 2.5% of children live in homes with loaded & unlocked guns.

Any child 2 years or younger is going to be unable to locate and mess with and cause to discharge a gun, provided that it is kept up high and away from their reach.

If a "child" is a person from age 0 to age 18, then children under 2 comprise 11.1% of children.

Since 2.5% is significantly less than 11.1% of those who are safe anyway, then 100% of children are still safe, provided that (a) the children in the 2.5% are under the age of 2, and (b) the guns are kept high and out of reach to a baby/small tot.

I'm sure (a) and (b) are not 100% true, but I'd bet they are mostly true.

Bottom line, the study supports that gun owners are by and large, extremely responsible.

And if the study is so comprehensive, then why doesn't it break down the ages of the children so that we can see how many of the 2.5% are in the very very young who don't have the ability to get into things not within their reach? And if the study DOES break it down as such, then we have to ask why didn't the article report THAT?
 
Merged threads, moved to L&P because it fits better here.

pax
 
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