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AP: "Study: Gun Injuries Cost $802M Nationwide"

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

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    And what of the money saved from injuries prevented with guns?

    http://www.newsday.com/business/nat...,3652918.story?coll=sns-ap-business-headlines

     
  2. Nanook

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    Does AP also mention the cost of auto accidents? Drinking to excess? Oh, and what about doctor's mistakes?

    The so-called Fifth Estate acts more like a fifth column these days.
     
  3. G-Raptor

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    There is a cost to any type of injury and a cost to prevent injuries. What's the point?
     
  4. trapshooter

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    So...

    the alleged cost to society is roughly 1/8 that of one B-2 bomber, just to put things in perspective.

    And what was the involvement in the incidents that led to the shootings by these uninsured 'victims'?

    Were they all innocent bystanders, or participants?

    Just a couple of quick questions.
     
  5. 4v50 Gary

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    And what does this have to do with medical science? If the good Dr. is taking on social issues or law enforcement concerns, perhaps he should fold up his license. What a waste of dollars even to do this research.

    Gee, want to reduce shootings? Imprison or kill all the drug dealers. Are we to be punished for the misconduct of a few?
     
  6. Bob Locke

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    Or we could treat drugs in the same manner we treat alcohol and decriminalize it, thereby doing away with the black market that has produced the vast majority of the violence.

    And I also wonder what the "cost to society" is of alcohol. Last time I checked, more people die in drunk-driving accidents annually than the combined total of all firearm-related deaths.
     
  7. Monkeyleg

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    Well, let's see. The majority didn't have health insurance. By sheer coincidence, most drug dealers don't carry auto insurance (even though they drive $$ vehicles). The paper trail.

    Don't do drugs. Better yet, don't sell drugs. Even better, don't try to be a big-shot drug dealer. Amazing how your chances of being shot will be reduced.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a sociologist, nor do I receive millions of dollars from the government to arrive at my conclusions. If common sense were indeed common, we'd save a whole lot of money on these "studies."
     
  8. Redlg155

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    The arrest rate in my corner of civilization is virtually nil along with the injury rate by weapons from self injury, gang violence and police shootings.

    The arrest rate down the street in the projects along with all the other aforementioned is ten times much.

    Gee...I wonder why?:rolleyes:

    Oh..and medical costs? That part I believe.

    I cut my thumb the day after Christmas skinning out a doe and went in the next day to make sure I didn't need stitches. They checked me and sterri stripped it up. Took all of five minutes. The cost? $30 to me, $400 to my HMO.

    I wonder if that will show up in some silly statistic? I killed with a gun and then was self-wounded with a knife.

    Good Shooting
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  9. BenW

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    You beat me to it. People who charge $2000 a day for someone to stay in a lousy hospital bed and eat lousy hospital food have no business taking the moral high ground on anything.
     
  10. gun-fucious

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    me wonders:
    what the gun injury with no insurance / arrest record
    corrolation factor might be
     
  11. gun-fucious

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    here is a Buddy's response:
     
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    and another's
     
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    another response
     
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    Although there probably is no doubt that gun related injuries are costly to treat and that there would seem to be a relatively large number of males under 30 involved, I seriously doubt that the costs to the public are any greater than those incurred by Motorcycle riders whom persist in busting their little punkin heads in a crash while not wearing helmets, or the cost of auto crash injuries where the victims were not wearing seat belts. In both of these examples I would hazard a guess and bet that the majority of victims involved were under 30. It should also not be a surprise that a large number of these 2 groups have no insurance and that their medical costs are borne by you and i.

    In contrast, I wonder what the monetary savings to the public is as a result of the lawful use of handguns in the prevention of crimes.
     
  15. Flying V

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    $802 million. That's less than $4/person. Big deal.
     
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    http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s223.html

    Benefits of Defensive Gun Use. Depending on the source, at the low end of reasonable estimates, the annual number of defensive gun uses (764,000) is somewhat lower than the highest estimate of the number of crimes committed with firearms (915,000), while at the high end the number of defensive gun uses (3.6 million) is far greater than either of the two estimates of firearms-related crimes.58
    The most reasonable estimate of defensive gun use was made by Kleck: approximately 2.5 million annually. If Kleck's numbers are even close to correct, then the saving to society from the crimes prevented is about five times greater than the cost to society of firearms violence.59
     
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    Common cold tab $40 billion per year
    http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030224-061239-6401r

    From the Science & Technology Desk
    Published 2/24/2003 7:23 PM
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    ANN ARBOR, Mich., Feb. 24 (UPI) -- The common cold costs Americans $40 billion each year, a new analysis released Monday estimates.

    Although not as serious as heart failure, colds overall make a deeper dent in people's pockets. It also is pricier than asthma and emphysema, researchers said.

    "I've always thought that very common although not serious conditions are very costly," said Dr. Mark Fendrick, associate professor of internal medicine at the University of Michigan.

    Fendrick compared the phenomenon to markets for Ford Tauruses and Maseratis. Maseratis are much more expensive, he said, but much more money is spent on the Taurus, overall.

    To investigate his suspicions, Fendrick led efforts to survey more than 4,000 U.S. households. The results, published in the Feb. 24 Archives of Internal Medicine, showed nearly three-fourths of participants had suffered a cold within the past year. On average, respondents said they got a cold not just once during the year but 2.5 times.

    To come up with the $40 billion price tag, researchers tallied doctor's bills, medication costs for the 500 million yearly incidents of the pesky ailment and the price of missing work and school.

    Half of the bill comes from almost 400 million missed days at work and at school, Fendrick found. Children stay home to prevent infecting other children and parents take time off work to take care of them, he explained.

    Another line item from the bill goes toward antibiotics. The study reported cold sufferers spent more than $1 billion on antibiotics, which do not defend against the common cold viruses.

    "People spend $5 to $10 per cold," Fendrick noted. "Individuals need to realize the effectiveness of these medications have not been demonstrated. (In addition) many do not need to take multiremedy drugs." He added that if cold sufferers with one main symptom buy medication, they should buy a kind that treats what ails them the most, not something for many symptoms. The common cold is one of the most significant drains on our economy, Fendrick said.

    People waste money on drugs they often do not need and they contribute to increasing antibiotic resistance, Fendrick explained.

    "He's at least partly right," said Raylana Anderson, director of human resources at Clark Engineers Inc., Peoria, Ill.

    Today, more companies allow employees to take paid time off to take care of sick family members than before, Anderson said. Although $40 billion is nothing to sneeze at, she added, "I think he's missing something."

    The already high price tag does not include "presenteeism," Anderson said -- people who go to work despite their colds and whose productivity goes down as a result of cold symptoms, she explained.

    "People are dragging themselves in when you wish they'd stay at home," Anderson said. "It goes back to people being responsible for their own health."

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    (Reported by Christine Suh, UPI Science News, in Washington)
     
  18. Carlos Cabeza

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    WHA ???????? Drug dealers don't have medical insurance.........
    I hate to say but most JOBS (keyword) provide employees with access to affordable healthcare. This is another case of misrepresentation of information.
     
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