Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free

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Here is a study. It includes gun laws, calling 'the best gun laws' as 'least restrictive' (that is in Alaska),

Liberal states are called nanny states.
Conservative states are called as more tolerant.

I think if such studies are made popular it would spark interesting debates on gun control and laws in the media, that are not one sided.
Also I think the study could be included in current arguments against gun control.

What do you think?



http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/free_states_study/2009/05/06/211385.html?utm_medium=RSS

According to a new study released by the Mercatus Center of George Mason University, some of the most liberal U.S. states rank lowest when it comes to personal freedom.

The study, which calls itself the “first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres,” made a host of findings:

# The freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending -- and middling levels of regulation and paternalism.

# New York is the least overall free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland.

Unfortunately, say the report authors, these freedom-disadvantaged states “make up a substantial portion of the total American population. Moreover, these bottom five states have considerable ground to make up even to move off this ignoble list, let alone into a creditable position in the rankings.”

# When weighing personal freedom alone, Alaska is the clear winner, while Maryland brings up the rear.

Sarah Palin’s Alaska does extremely well on personal freedom, conclude study authors. Reasons for its high personal freedom alone score include: fully legalized possession of small amounts of marijuana (accomplished through a court ruling), the best (least restrictive) gun laws in the country, recognition of same-sex domestic partnerships, and possibly the best homeschooling laws in the country.

# As for freedom in the different regions of the country, the Mountain and West North Central regions are the freest overall -- while the Middle Atlantic lags far behind on both economic and personal freedom.

There are real benefits to scoring high on economic and personal freedoms, conclude the study’s authors. Their analysis demonstrated that states enjoying more economic and personal freedom tend to attract substantially higher rates of internal net migration.

The Problem with Being Liberal

According to the study, previous research has shown that, as of 2006, Alabama and Mississippi were the most conservative states in the country, while New York and New Jersey were the most liberal. In the index put forth by the new study, Alabama and Mississippi fall in the middle, while New York and New Jersey are at the bottom.

“The problem is that the cultural values of liberal governments seem on balance to require more regulation of individual behavior than do the cultural values of conservative governments,” say the study’s authors. “While liberal states are freer than conservative states on marijuana and same-sex partnership policies, when it comes to gun owners, home schoolers, motorists, or smokers, liberal states are nanny states, while conservative states are more tolerant.”

Some Individual State Profiles

# Illinois is one of the worst states to live in from a personal freedom perspective (#49). On economic freedom it is in the middle of the pack (#29). Illinois has the fourth harshest gun control laws in the country, after California, Maryland, and New York, and the state’s victimless crimes arrest rates are almost unfathomable: In 2006, more than 2 percent of the state’s population was arrested for a victimless crime (and that figure does not count under-18s). Nearly one-third of all arrests were for victimless crimes.

# Texas (#7 economic, #5 personal, #5 overall) has one of the smallest state governments in the country. As a percentage of corrected GSP, Texas has the second lowest tax burden in the country and the third lowest grants-adjusted government spending. However, government employment is a standard deviation higher than the national average. Gun control is better than average, but the state falls short on open-carry laws, stricter-than-federal minimum age for purchase rules, and dealer licensing.

Alcohol is less regulated than in most other states, and taxes are low. Low-level marijuana cultivation is a misdemeanor, but otherwise marijuana laws are very harsh.

# Colorado, the #2 state, achieved its ranking through excellent fiscal numbers and above-average numbers on regulation and paternalism. The state is the most fiscally decentralized in the country, with localities raising fully 44.5 percent of all state and local expenditures. By percentage of adjusted GSP, Colorado has the third lowest tax burden in the country, surpassed only by Tennessee and Texas. It has resisted the temptation of “sin taxes,” with low rates on beer, wine, spirits, and cigarettes. On the other hand, Colorado’s smoking bans are among the most extreme in the country, with no exceptions or local option for any locations other than workplaces. Colorado is 1 of 12 states to have decriminalized low-level marijuana possession.

# Oregon (#36 economic, #7 personal, #27 overall) is the freest Pacific state. Oddly, government spending is high but taxes are low, resulting in rather high state debt. Public safety and administration look particularly ripe for cutting. Gun control laws are

about average. Marijuana possession is decriminalized below a certain level, and there is medical marijuana (cultivation and sale are felonies, though). Oregon is one of the few states to refuse to authorize sobriety checkpoints. Oregon is the only state to permit physician-assisted suicide. Private and home school regulations are quite reasonable. State land use planning is far advanced. The minimum wage is the highest in the country when adjusted for average wages.

The study touts that it improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom for American states in three primary ways: (1) it includes measures of social and personal freedoms such as peaceable citizens’ rights to educate their own children, own and carry firearms, and be free from unreasonable search and seizure; (2) it includes far more variables, even on economic policies alone, than prior studies, and there are no missing data on any variable; and (3) it uses new, more accurate measurements of key variables, particularly state fiscal policies.

“We develop and justify our ratings and aggregation procedure on explicitly normative criteria, defining individual freedom as the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on another individual’s ability to do the same,” note the authors.
 
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I think it is an excellent topic of discussion. Too bad it will get closed. And ignorance will continue to prosper......
 
probably will get closed but the study does point out an interesting dualism in Texas.. one of the "free-est" states has some of the nations most restrictive laws in re: guns, maryjane, gay marriage etc. interesting to have quantified the state gov's small footprint relative to it's peers..

maybe it's a chicken-egg arguement but the link between restrictive gun laws and limitations on personal freedoms seems concrete
 
In 2006, more than 2 percent of the state’s population was arrested for a victimless crime...

I'm assuming the study clearly defines what their definition of a "victimless crime" is, but the article makes no attempt to do so. Prostitution? Drugs (not just mj, but cocaine, heroin, meth, 'scrips, etc?) and vice?

I agree with the findings of the study, but whenever researchers interject such terminology, I automatically look for other biases, and doubt the empirical validity of the study as a whole. I sincerely hope that the newsmedia added the term "best" to describe less-restrictive gun laws, and not the researchers.
 
I sincerely hope that the newsmedia added the term "best" to describe less-restrictive gun laws, and not the researchers.

The word 'best' is probably not the right one, but in context of the article - personal freedoms are considered 'good'.
 
I like what they attempted to do here. That does not mean I necessarily agree with thier views, but it is certainly a less biased approach than Democrats or Republicans would give.
Thinking outside the box.

I'm assuming the study clearly defines what their definition of a "victimless crime" is, but the article makes no attempt to do so.

The article also does not show a list of every state in every criteria, which based on thier numbering systems they clearly created.
Such a list, especialy overlayed on a map of the US could be helpful.
However the victimless crime stat is still very useful even if it does not coerelate precisely with your views.
It shows a government more inclined to invade into personal liberties, even if you agree with some of those invasions. So even if say 5% or 10% or even 20% of the total are crimes you think should be prosecuted, it shows a certain inclination of that state government.
That inclination is what is being judged as a whole in the article.

For example I once thought Idaho was a free state. Then I learned it has one of the highest per capita rates of probation/parole, primarily probation in the nation. http://www.idahopress.com/news/?id=20683
Second highest only behind Georgia I believe. Which is not because the people are that different than other parts of the nation, but because the government is.
Anyone on probation loses many of thier constitional rights, making them easier to manage. Someone on probation for a misdemeanor for example could have years of probation during which time they could be prohibited from owning a firearm (2nd), be searched at any time (4th) thrown in jail for a non crime violation without a trial and without bail (6th and 8th.) Or even be subject to prohibitions against assembling or being with certain individuals or groups (1st.)
So clearly a state with an extremely high rate of probation is suspicious as probation is a clear way around the Constitutional rights of citizens.
I still don't understand how misdemanors which by definition are punishable by less than a year can result in years of probation? Individuals can be put under government control with very limited rights for far longer than they could even be jailed for the offense.
Yet I hear that as the result in news articles all the time. Years of probation for misdemeanors being quite common.
It is also much cheaper than locking people up, and not viewed as seriously as jail time so judges are more inclined to give long probation sentences even for offenses they sentence to no time in jail.
So a government can quite effectively and cheaply remove constitutional rights of a large segment of the population without actualy incarcerating them (which naturaly limits itself as a large expense).
Which is why I am against probation and parole. People should serve any time they are given, not be slapped on the wrist and become long term second class citizens. That just encourages the creation of second class citizens.

Combine that with victimless crime rates which are offenses that often can and do result in long term probation/parole and you can begin to form a loose picture of which places are more favorable to Constitional Rights and which ones choose to go around the constition when it favors them.

Add in taxation rates, and expecialy taxation designed to prohibit activities like "sin taxes" and it becomes clearer.


I do like how this article attempts to break down thier study:

defining individual freedom as the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on another individual’s ability to do the same

Sounds like something a radical founder of our nation would have said.
 
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# Texas (#7 economic, #5 personal, #5 overall) has one of the smallest state governments in the country. As a percentage of corrected GSP, Texas has the second lowest tax burden in the country and the third lowest grants-adjusted government spending. However, government employment is a standard deviation higher than the national average. Gun control is better than average, but the state falls short on open-carry laws, stricter-than-federal minimum age for purchase rules, and dealer licensing.

Alcohol is less regulated than in most other states, and taxes are low. Low-level marijuana cultivation is a misdemeanor, but otherwise marijuana laws are very harsh.

Some of this info is flat wrong.

How are our state laws regarding age any stricter than federal? Its 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns.

Alcohol is less regulated? Oh really? We cant buy hard liquor after 9pm, and liquor stores are closed all day on Sunday. And beer and wine sales hours are state mandated, and vary depending on the day of the week. Not to mention that we have a state law enforcement agency (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) thatis devoted to nothing but patrol bars and restaurants, bust college parties, etc. And yes, they are fully-empowered armed peace officers...

If anything, our alcohol laws are more restrictive than most. Alot of states allow 24 hour alcohol sales and hard liquor in grocery stores.
 
Two things:

Grant 48, there are more restrictive states (think Utah. Though a few states literally have state owned hard liquor stores, well Utah is one. As pitiful as it sounds, TX might actually be less restrictive. I know MO is excellent in it's liquor laws, comparitively, but we still need to deregulate the hour laws)

Other thing, liberals tend to want to concern themselves with people's lives, and conservatives tend not to... meaning, liberals have a policy of interfering to aid people in any and all circumstances. Conservatives interfere when they believe they are protecting themselves or others.

Nanny state is the right word for it. Not saying I'm moving to Alaska or Texas straight away. I am saying though that I refuse to even visit New York, or California.
 
Alcohol is less regulated? Oh really? We cant buy hard liquor after 9pm, and liquor stores are closed all day on Sunday. And beer and wine sales hours are state mandated, and vary depending on the day of the week.

yes, really. while some states are far less-regulated than that (NM comes to mind), many are much worse. in PA, for instance, wine and liquor must be bought at state-run stores with hours no better than you describe for TX. there is a cap on the number of such stores. you cannot buy anything at a grocery or convenience store. beer must be bought by the case at a "distributor" or at exorbitantly high prices at an actual bar, which will essentially charge you the same price you would pay if you were drinking them there. some of these things are true of other northeastern states as well.

so, yeah, really...though i'll agree that the TABC needn't exist and 24 hour sales would be great.

probably will get closed but the study does point out an interesting dualism in Texas.. one of the "free-est" states has some of the nations most restrictive laws in re: guns, maryjane, gay marriage etc.

how exactly is TX one of the nation's most restrictive on guns? we're not alaska or vermont, by any means. but other than open carry, i'd say we do pretty well. shall issue, no class III restrictions, castle doctrine, and the brady bunch gives us a score of 9 out of 100. hardly one of the "most restrictive". not saying i wouldn't take better (AK,AZ,VT,etc), but we're doing alright for ourselves on guns.

i won't disagree with you on drug laws, though.
 
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It ultimately is the Mountain West which is the most libertarian of all, culturally, except for the Mormon band along north Arizona to Southern Idaho. There you have more just straight up conservatism. That being said, they still tend to be easier to get along with than the really lefty states.
 
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