Stun guns do they work?

[Rob Pincus]

Hand_rifle_guy,

Hopefully, your statements were limited to the type of device you were stunned with. If you think they are not, I'll give you a free Taser course.

 

[brownie0486]

Back in "82" I carried a stun gun [ they were new to the market then ] with 45,000 volts.

Was bouncing at a place on weekends that had pig piles of fights every Friday and Saturday. Once the pig pile happened on the floor, I'd give the top one a quick zap and roll him off the pile. Kept at it until the bouncers got things under control.

Always had it back in my pocket immediatley and it took a few months before people figured out what I had. They had not been restricted from carry here as they were new and unregulated then.

One of the younger bouncers wanted me to "show" him physically what it felt like after work one night. I refused for a week with him badgering me all the time to "do it".

The night I zapped his forearm for one second his eyes "popped" out considerably, his arm/hand constricted int oa shape normally seen with one who has been severely disabled in a limb.

His reaction? "get away from me with that thing" in a very loud voice. We were all laughing like hell as his attitude went from "so what" to "don't come near me" immediately. He did not fall down, but he would have been very complacent had he been an aggressor and certainly did not want to "try it" again.

Those days are long gone now for me.

My mother taught me never to play with electricity or stick my finger into a wall socket for a reason.

Brownie

 

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

Oi! Rob! Read the threads I linked!

I speciffically emphasized that I did NOT mean Tasers. Once I got directed to the right info, I pointed that out. Calling me on it here is not a bad thing, however, as I didn't mean to imply disagreement with the information you presented. Let me explain.

I don't qualify Tasers as "Pain-compliance devices". I read their site from front to back, their history, and the research that went into them. Additionally, finding out the wattage range they operate in here leads me to respect them further still. They are capable of paralyzing an individual, the stungun I tested definitely was not.

For that reason I also think that wattage range takes them out of the "less than lethal" category. I think that means their use on the wrong unlucky scumwad with a drug-abused heart might make his ticker conk out. Actually overriding muscle control is not to be done lightly. Cops have legal coverage for their unfortunate incidents, Joe Average, or Miss Civilian Rape Victim, generally doesn't. That means the Hoosegow for them if something unlucky goes down.

If that's the level of risk one faces, I personally want something more decisive. Citizens aren't obligated to charge into things like cops are, so I see no point in exposing them to risks associated with "half-measures", since they also lack back-up or any kind of forewarning. However, that is an entirely personal choice, and I really wouldn't offer advice on Tasers, merely my somewhat-disclaimered opinion. Additionally, I don't even see stunguns as a "half-measure". To me, they mostly qualify as a parlor trick. An intimidating noisemaker.

Let me say it again:

Stunguns are "Pain-Compliance Devices".

TASERS ARE NOT. They are an order of magnitude more powerful!

DON'T buy a stungun!

'Zat better, Rob? I don't really WANT to sign up for Taser course.

...But where would I go about doing so? You in Kaliforny someplace? Might make for some good footage, and I must maintain my lunatic image, after all...and I did give permission to call me an idiot.

:banghead:

 

[Paul Gomez]

Remember, always read the directions. The leaflet that came with my stun gun says to hold it onto the bad guy for 5 to 7 seconds!

Imagine a situation where you could hold a stun gun on an unwilling, combative person for five to seven seconds? I can't.

I think that you would be a whole lot better off striking, inflicting pain and damage, than attempting to hold a stun gun on someone for that amount of time.

 

[Rob Pincus]

I was in a hurry the other day and didn't get to go all the way through your other posts, HRG.. I was going to come back and edit mine.. instead I'll just apologize. Good Show.

 

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

'Sall good. Appy Polly Lodges accepted, but not really needed.

Not griping. You brought up a really good point. I shall be ammending my boistrous bragadocio more correctly in the future so as to make sure good information is provided.

I'm all about clear communication. I would rather have us (And whomever may be reading these posts.) all on the same page. We're all on the same side, more or less.


All is forgiven. Lemme buy y'all a Shiner Bock, 'n all that good stuff.

If you find yourself on the Wrong Coast sometime, ring me up. I'll take you up on that Taser course! For real! Said I was an idiot, didn't I?

 

[Rob Pincus]

I saw another 26 watter yesterday... the other "Taser"...Taser Technologies, Inc.

At first glance, the device looks much more delicate than the M26, but it is a little smaller. It only has a 3 second cycle (instead of 5) and the catridges use rifle primers to launch the probes, so the device is considered a firearm. The battery charge indicator has an intermediate setting, to let you know you are "okay" but should think about changing batteries... that's cool.

The company says that they are not interested in civilian sales, blah, blah, blah.

 

[Gray_Fallen]

I've never had much faith in stun guns - never seen enough to make me trust them, but enough to make me dis-trust them intensely - especially this about the Myotron and others:
http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2746&highlight=Myotron