Suppressor for CCW?

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I was reading through some threads when someone mentioned the idea of using a suppressor for a CCW/carry gun. This intrigued me, because I never really thought of a suppressor for CCW would be very legal. This is what I would like to know.

Pertaining only to CCW, not home defense. I used the search function, and most threads went off on tangents, and it was hard to find the important bits of information in all that.

As I understand it, it seems to be a state issue of whether or not they're legal. If they're legal then...play ball?

Also, like I said, legality in regards to carrying a suppressed firearm. I'm not looking for a bunch of people saying how useless it is and how it'd end up looking in court if it had to be used. I'm just curious about the law.
 
If the supressor is legal in your state, and you manage to conceal the whole thing, or go with OC, then its legal to carry.


However, I think this applies:

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Enough "funny" responses.

Some states, if I recall correctly, ban carrying some Title II weapons, possibly including suppressors. IIRC, Florida, for instance, does not allow for CCW license holders to carry machineguns that are legally owned.
But as far as suppressors go, it may be a good idea to call your local or State PD.
 
Unfair or not, most of the people who aren't directly on our team tend to look askance at "silencers", and if you end up shooting someone with your CCW, you'll need all the help you can get at the following trial. I'm not sure having a suppressor on your CCW piece will help your case any.

I do understand why you'd want one, though. It's unlikely any bad guy is going to give you time to put in earplugs.
 
If it's legal, what can you be charged with? Obeying the law? I would just keep a copy of your tax stamp with you, so you could show police in case you are stopped for any reason. Keep in mind that the suppressor probably falls under a different set of laws than the handgun. I think charges brought against you for NFA items are also slightly more in certain cases, but this usually applies only to machine guns.

I've been thinking the same thing. And if went to court, just give a simple demonstration: unsuppressed weapon = 160dB of noise, likely hearing loss, suppressed weapon = little to no hearing loss. That's why you bought it, right? I love the people who want these things removed from the NFA list, but at the same time run for the hills when there's talk of CCWing them. What's the purpose of the suppressor otherwise? Cool range toy? To throw in your safe and only take out to show your friends?
 
I can't thnk of a situation where they'd be easily carried. The ones I've tried, that really worked, were rather bulky. Nothing like the little dinky ones in the movies.
 
Legalities aside, it is not practical. Any gun + can combo would get too damn long for anything other than a walther p22 with a can.

I could not imagine trying to conceal a a 9mm or 40cal with silencer. IWB is out of the question as it would probably be most of the way down my thigh.

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Concealing a Beretta 96 is difficult enough due to the large number of knobs and levers sticking out of the sides, but adding on a full size can would make it an exercise in futility for everyday dress. Perhaps in a briefcase, but I dont like off-body carry.

-T
 
Here are the states that do not allow suppressors:

http://www.tacticalinc.com/pages/nfabuy.html

Most people are not aware that an average citizen can own a machine gun or a suppressor (silencer) by completing the appropriate paperwork and paying the corresponding fees. Here is a summary of the basic requirements for NFA (Class 3) ownership:
You have to live in a state that allows its citizens to own the type of firearm that you want to purchase. For instance, some states do not allow any NFA firearms, others allow machine guns but not suppressors while most others allow all NFA. To the best of our knowledge as of this writing:
Machineguns are LEGAL for individuals to possess in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, NY, WA.
Suppressors (silencers) are legal in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, IL, MT, NY, NJ, RI.

I believe Minnesota also does not allow suppressors.
 
His list is missing several states from both. Try to get a form4 approved to california!

Also silencer are allowed in Montana (MT), but not in Michigan (MI).

-T
 
This article seems to be more accurate.We do strive to satisfy the customers!

http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index.php?showtopic=1211


Here is the low-down on silencers;
This sorta pretains to real suppressors...but I figured this would give ya'll some idear as to where they're allowed and such.


Contrary to popular belief, removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors are legal to own under federal law. There are, however, 16 states, plus the District of Columbia , that prohibit the civilian ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors. At this time, the following states allow private ownership of removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD,MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA,WV, WI, and WY. Of the sixteen states which do not allow civilian ownership, CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow class 3 dealers and class two manufacturers to possess removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors.

Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors, like machine-guns, are proscribed under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, and are regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. The procedure for owning a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors may seem daunting at first, but actually requires less paperwork than buying an automobile. The buyer then has the chief law enforcement officer (Sheriff, Chief of Police, head of state police agency, district attorney, a judge with the power of arrest, or any other law enforcement officer approved for this procedure by the National Firearms Act branch of the BATF) sign the rear of the Form 4 attesting the prospective purchaser does not possess a criminal record and is not wanted. The two fingerprint cards must be completed and signed by a law enforcement agency. The completed paperwork is then sent to the Department of the Treasury with a check or money order for $200.00. The $200.00 is known as a transfer tax, as it must be paid each time ownership of the removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors is "transferred" (in this case, the dealer to the prospective purchaser). As long as the silencer is owned by the same person, the tax need not be paid again. Only if the owner sells it will a new transfer tax need to be paid. An owner may will his silencer to a lawful heir, with no tax incurred.

Once the paper work is submitted, it normally takes less than sixty days to receive the approved, stamped paperwork from NFA Branch. It is only upon the return of the approved paperwork that the dealer can allow the prospective purchaser to take possession of his new silencer. A copy of the approved paperwork must accompany the silencer at all times (the original should be stored in a safe deposit box). Removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors can be transported to other states which allow their ownership, but to transport a removable Silencer / Moderator / Sound Suppressors into one of the sixteen states which prohibit private ownership can subject the owner to serious state felony charges.

Does that seem correct,Tyris?
 
In Ohio, I don't believe CC of any NFA item is legal. At least, it wasn't in 2005. :)
 
MO and KS have changed their laws to make silencers legal.

May I ask how big a standard pistol suppressor is for calibers like 9x19, 45 ACP, 9x21, 40 S&W, and 38 Special?

Thanks
 
If it's effective enough to protect your hearing, it's probably rather long and bulky... not efficient for CC.
 
This may be stretching it, but I suspect it just might be plausible in .45 ACP, using some form of custom vertical shoulder rig under a jacket, with the right gun/clothing/individual.
 
Whether or not it is legal is going to depend entirely on your State CCW law and the laws of your states regarding suppressors. This will vary from state to state of course.

Considering the difficulties Ohio members have faced in simply getting effective CCW, I imagine that if suppressed CCW is legal there it was probably an oversight on the part of the legislature.

From a practical perspective, it will be more difficult to conceal and add considerably to your draw time I would think.
 
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