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All,

I am sure there are a lot of opinions on suppressors.

Where they are legal, what brand do you use, prefer?

Where did you acquire it? What was the cost?

What is the process?

Looking at the Gemtech?

Thanks,

T
 
http://www.silencershop.com
they can probably answer a lot of you questions on their website

This is where I bought mine. Great people to deal with and they go out of their way to make the process as painless as possible.

I bought 4 suppressors on my first go round, yes I jumped in with both feet! :D

My choices were after a lot of research, this is what I got.

Thunderbeast 30P-1 .30 caliber

Liberty Torch QA for 5.56

Silencerco Osprey .45 caliber

SWR Specter II .22 mag rated

All 4 cans plus uncle Sam's fee was $3200 + the $450 I spent on a good trust done by a lawyer that specializes in gun trust. Some folks will say you don't need the lawyer but my piece of mind is well worth what I spent and I didn't have to miss any meals to get it!

I am super happy with all 4 cans. Best advice I can give is don't go cheap, buy cans that are well made and will last. You spend all that money, give uncle Sam $200 each then wait forever, might as well get something good.

If you want more than one get them all at once that way you only have to wait one time and it makes it a little less painful!
 
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Those are pretty open ended questions, and the best I can do is say it depends.

What kind of gun are you trying to suppress? Do you need to suppress multiple calibers with one can? Do you have any size requirements (must fit underneath a AR handguard, must be as short as possible)? Do you need it rated for full auto? Do you want it to be as quiet as possible or do you just want something that's hearing safe? How much do you want to spend? There are lots of variables and what may be the the perfect can for one person in one situation, may not be right for the next person.

Process wise, you'll need to find a SOT (special occupational tax payer, basically a FFL who pays a yearly tax to also sell or manufacturer NFA items) who either stocks the suppressor you want or who can order or transfer one to you. If he has it in stock, you fill out a Form 4 for the transfer, send it off with a $200 check to the ATF and then wait. Eventually the form will come back approved and you'll be able to take your suppressor home.

For a first can, I would look at either a full sized 9mm can, or a .22 can. That will give you the best suppression and will be a good general use can that will serve you well. In my opinion a good stable of cans would be a full size 9mm can, a .30 caliber can, and a .22 caliber can. After that you have most of your bases covered and can get into more specialty cans. Then again, it all depends on what you want to do. I personally started off with an "exotic" 9mm micro can. If I were to buy another full sized 9mm can, it would be a Liberty Mystic, a very quiet can that is rated to work an a bunch of different calibers.



I have two cans and am waiting on a third. My first can was a Thompson Machine Poseidon, a 9mm micro can. Where most full sized 9mm cans are around 8" long and use baffles, this one is about 4" and uses a mix of a monocore and a wipe to seal the can. One downside to this can is that the wipe needs to be replaced every 20 shots or so to maintain maximum suppression. It is a fun, cool, and unique can, but not the most practical for range sessions.

The second can is a .30 caliber by HTG. Unfortunately I haven't gotten a chance to shoot it because its host is a SBR in .300 Blk and I can't find any ammo for it :fire:

The can that's still in the transfer process is a HTG 9mm full sized can. Haven't gotten a chance to shoot it yet, but I'm looking forward to not having to swap wipes.

I managed to get very good deals on these suppressors because I bought them from dealers who were getting rid of cans because they either got them as demo suppressors, or because the manufacturer was going out of business and they were having a clearance sale on their stock. If you have a good idea what you want and know where to look, you can find some very good deals on suppressors.

If you want more than one get them all at once that way you only have to wait one time and it makes it a little less painful!

Or you can buy them one or two months apart, and have a constant stream of NFA toys showing up at even intervals :D
 
I got a outback2 from gemtech and a aac tirant 45 bought them from a local.shop on phx. The paper work was easy i went as a trust the paperwork took 20 min and the shop did all the work. What caliber are you looking at?
 
IMO Gemtech performs poorly and is overpriced. From what I've seen of their internals, their designs are not particularly good. Every test I've seen with gemtech cans shows that they are just plain bad. The following video compares a bunch of cans on a bunch of 22 hosts. Note which can is nearly 10 db worse than every other can in the test- that's right, the outback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KcFPEKWptw

In general AAC and SilencerCo are known for producing good designs that perform well. I've also handled and shot a bunch of SWR designs and also like them. I feel that SRT does the best custom integral jobs.

I own an SRT 45 integral and an AAC element 2 but I've shot or observed a significant portion of what's on the market. The best thing for an aspiring suppressor owner to do is to go to a silencer shoot and chat with the manufacturers and the customers. Listen to the guns firing. Fire some guns if people will let you. It will very quickly sort the sheep from the goats.
 
I'll echo the buy once, cry once philosophy for suppressors, there is really no used market, so if you buy one, it's yours long term. You might as well buy a nice can with a long service life, in .22 cans that will mean a user serviceable unit, preferably of steel or titanium construction.

As for where to get one, I've heard good things about silencershop.com, but if you order from an out of state company they will have to ship it to your in state dealer before you can begin your process. That means you'll have to wait for their form 3 to go through before you can start the intolerable wait on your form 4.

Luckily here in Georgia we have some good class three dealers, so if they have what you want in stock, you can cut your wait down substantially. I would check Clyde armory in Athens, they have a pretty good selection, and when I got my silencerco sparrow ss there they were really great to work with.
 
You can often get much better deals from C3 dealer than from the manufacturers themselves. I got my element for a bunch less than MSRP and I'm toying with the idea of picking up a 762SD (can't remember the full name) for about 200 under MSRP from a local dealer.

Once you've figured out what you want, go into some local C3 dealers and talk to them about the cans you want. Ask how much to get those cans for you. Sooner or later you'll have a good deal.
 
OP, Your location indicates that you live in GA. According to www.GunTrustLawyer.com, GA is a NFA friendly state. If you're having a hard time finding a dealer nearby, you can look up transferring dealers on Gunbroker and look for ones nearby that say that they can do NFA or Class 3 transfers.

When MI allowed silencers, I went with one for a .22lr. A friend of mine went with one for his 5.56 AR. Both of us are happy with our decisions. They are tons of fun.
 
Based on my own research I reached the following decisions as "best for my needs".

In the interest of disclosure, I should point out that I am fairly price-insensitive so price was not a big weighing factor in my decisions. I also valued multi-caliber and multi-gun use over compactness or quick detachability.

Multi-caliber pistol and pistol-caliber carbine (9mm, 40, 20mm, .45): AAC TiRant 45.
Reasons: Achieves "Ear safe" 140 db dry even with subcaliber use.

7.62, 7.62x40, 300 BLK, .5.56 and everything else at or below 30 cal:
AAC Cyclone

Rimfire:Silencerco Sparrow (the newer all stainless "SS" version).
Reasons: as quiet as others, more durable and super easy to clean.

Mike
 
I find it amusing how people who reply to most threads will always recommend the item they own. I suppose that is to justify the person's purchase.

I'm not sure which GT you are looking at purchasing, but I can tell you that my GT Outback II was my first suppressor. Now, when I bought my OBII, GT did not offer a serviceable can at the time...GT is offering a rebuild kit.

If you are looking at purchasing a rimfire suppressor, I highly recommend buying one that is serviceable since shooting rimfire ammo is very dirty.

I don't think GT is a bad company, but I feel that there are better options these days.

I ended up getting a TBAC 30P-1 last year for my precision rifles.
 
I find it amusing how people who reply to most threads will always recommend the item they own. I suppose that is to justify the person's purchase.

I'm not sure which GT you are looking at purchasing, but I can tell you that my GT Outback II was my first suppressor. Now, when I bought my OBII, GT did not offer a serviceable can at the time...GT is offering a rebuild kit.

If you are looking at purchasing a rimfire suppressor, I highly recommend buying one that is serviceable since shooting rimfire ammo is very dirty.

I don't think GT is a bad company, but I feel that there are better options these days.

I ended up getting a TBAC 30P-1 last year for my precision rifles.
Actually, I own a Gemtech and specifically recommended AGAINST them.

Whether one is for or against a particular product, it's hard to value an opinion that isn't based on personal experience, and so naturally people are going to provide recommendations for (or against...if they're honest) products they own.
 
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There's no shortgage of gemtech owners who will recommend against getting them. They're just noticeably worse than everything in the top tier of suppressors. On top of being non-serviceable unless you ship it back to the factory.

I recommend the cans I've bought for the same reason I bought them in the first place. After a ton of research and comparisons and deciding to wait 6 months for something worth waiting for, I bought what I considered to be the best. Sure, I could have bought something else for 500 bucks than an Element 2, but I wanted to have something to be proud of, not something that I'd have to make excuses for. If you can afford the 200 dollars for the stamp, you can afford the extra 200 dollars for a decent can as opposed to a mediocre 300 dollar can.

It's just how the calculus of the decision works out with the 200 dollar stamp.
300 dollar can + 200 dollar stamp + 6 month wait = 500 bucks + 6 months
500 dollar can + 200 dollar stamp + 6 month wait = 700 bucks + 6 months
The cheap can isn't really cheap at all. 90 percent of the hassle and cost is still there. And the first time you break down your element and clean it by hand, you've saved back the couple hundred bucks over the outback (which in all fairness is finally available in a user-serviceable format, but wasn't for years).
 
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I find it amusing how people who reply to most threads will always recommend the item they own. I suppose that is to justify the person's purchase.

I'm not sure which GT you are looking at purchasing, but I can tell you that my GT Outback II was my first suppressor. Now, when I bought my OBII, GT did not offer a serviceable can at the time...GT is offering a rebuild kit.

If you are looking at purchasing a rimfire suppressor, I highly recommend buying one that is serviceable since shooting rimfire ammo is very dirty.

I don't think GT is a bad company, but I feel that there are better options these days.

I ended up getting a TBAC 30P-1 last year for my precision rifles.


I own 14 suppressors from all different manufacturers and the only cans I seem to recommend anymore is Silencerco/SWR. I'm far from biased. They just happen to build the best cans at the moment.
 
I own 14 suppressors from all different manufacturers and the only cans I seem to recommend anymore is Silencerco/SWR. I'm far from biased. They just happen to build the best cans at the moment.
best cans for what? you cant define a "best can" unless you narrow down the criteria. there really is no "best can" out there but there are a lot of suppressors that do different things better.

Hard to beat Thunderbeast for precision AND sound reduction.

Hard to beat SWR/Silencerco for multiple rock solid mounts AND sound reduction.

etc and so on.

some cans fit certain criteria better than others, its as simple as that.
 
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