Surprises when asking for Character References...

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I have received a number of responses such as "Russell,"...Stover954rr...your name is Russell Stover? Like the chocolate? :neener:

Man,Illinois is strict but we can still buy what we want,when we want(with a waiting period). I can't imagine that I couldn't get four people to sign for me if I had to do that. I know some people who wouldn't because they don't like guns,but all my friends would vouch for me.



Oh wait...I don't have any friends.:( ;)
 
I never went so far as to apply since it was clear that the same problem would arise where I once lived, Buffalo. NY. The general economic and political tone on NY means that I now spell Buffalo, New York as A-U-S-T-I-N, T-E-X-A-S. Could you imagine living in the village of Kenmore, NY and having to get four references? It would be an absurd proposition. You'd have to resort to giving tottering retirees a Benjie or two. Maybe you can join the NYSRA or GOAL and find some references from some newer friends. Check the local trap, skeet, and other ranges too. Best of luck, K.
 
Hey guys,
Sorry for the delay in response... I was up north shooting for the weekend ;)

I did get the references after the "surprises".... actually i had references,

however by NYS law they CANNOT be: Judges, LEO, town Justices, related persons, persons of the same households, or any 2 persons of the same family


ARCLi9ht post # 13:

The reference must be over 21 and Know you for 6 months... it might have been 5 years for you because it was out of county, however I am surprised they gave you an exemption on that because you need to be a resident of your new county for atleast 6 months.

ArchAngel post #14:

I believe you are partially right... maybe upset was a better word.


Gary M. Post #17:

That is an excellent idea... I wish that would happen here as a civilized way of by passing strict laws.


EricCartman Post # 20:

Sorry, actually it is a Masters in Supply Chain Management (logistics, procurement, sourcing, ect)


MCOOPER & EarPLUG: Unfortunately the laws wouldn't allow it... However I do appreciate your kind gestures! Luckily I do have my references now :)
 
Leave that state. You are not free; the state does not recognize your rights.

Your vote means nothing; neither does your voice. Millions of people have a contrary view about weapons and are not about to change their minds.
 
Welcome to Guns in NY --- where truth is fiction and fiction is truth. :banghead:

Sorry about your trouble. I actually got all four, even from folks who don't believe. It was a character reference, not a political stand.

Meanwhile, after finally rounding up all of my wife's paperwork --- they changed the application procedure, and we get to start again :cuss::cuss::banghead:.

I mean, after all, it makes perfect sense that her friends in a county 2 miles over a line are disqualified; or the many LEOs that she knows; or friends who have moved out-of-county since the process started; or relatives; or her husband.

:cuss::banghead::cuss::banghead::cuss::banghead::fire:

Sadly, I don't feel any better after venting. Need a new "Smilie" for "PO'd."
 
1) get new friends
2)tell the other ones to get a pair,and tell his wife to mind her own business(and yes I am married)
3)Don't just up and leave NY,it's not all bad.
what county are you in?
 
51Cards.... oh you don't need to tell me how ridiculous it is. I don't understand why you can't use anyone in any NYS county as a reference considering it is a state license.

TonyB: Yeah I laughed when he called me back because his wife said no... haha I would feel like a complete jackass calling a buddy back and having to explain that....oh wait I wouldn't because my girlfriend doen't give a damn.

I am in dutche$$ county (my key board broke) i have no lmnopqr_tuv lol
 
Interesting I'm from Harlem, NYC & some years ago when I first begin to get interested in firearms my "Mother" told me to apply legally or find another hobby..so I did..apply. Best advice I ever got I love you Mommy!
 
Man you aren't going to like my answer but it's this simple... MOVE

NY is a LOST CAUSE for gun rights and I swear it'll be the last one to restore them. I think California would dump all of their gun laws before NY would.

And don't tell me it's silly to move over such a thing, because I already did it. Not -just- over self defense rights but that sure played a large part in where I chose to move!
 
So, they want 4 people that they don't know to vouch for one person that they don't know ? Well.......that makes sense.
I would get a new set of friends.
 
You are here and that says alot about you. Now to Quote someone really famous keep your friends close but your enemies closer. PM me if you need a voucher.
 
Welldoya: I never thought about it that way lol

Doc2RN: I appreciate the kind gesture!
 
however by NYS law they CANNOT be: Judges, LEO, town Justices, related persons, persons of the same households, or any 2 persons of the same family
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This one confuses the hell out of me. I can kind of (in a twisted sort of way) understand the logic behind not allowing persons who are related to you or live in the same household as you vouche for your character, but you're not allowed to use LEO's or JUDGES? That's just freaking insane...you'd think that (at least in the anti's mind) these would be the two groups that would be MOST qualified to give character references....

I agree with others. Get the heck out of there. Not only do they hate your freedom, they hate logic, even their own....
 
Russell
I live in NYC and understand what you are going thru. You come here asking for advice about your friends not supporting you and ironically people here tell you to move or support someone other than Ron Paul.
My advice is stay in NYC. There are those of us who do fight the good fight and are influencing people around us. Keep looking and you will find people to vouch for you. Meanwhile view this as an opportunity to educate your friends about 2A issues.
 
Russell,

Hey, that's NY for you. I'm not a NYer, but I grew up there and my family is still in NY; I was astounded by the general hostility by gun shop owners upstate the last time I visited and went browsing towards people simply handling "NY illegal", cop-only rifles - even if they're well-dressed and clean-cut. The attitude I can understand, at least in NY. This is, after all, a state where handguns are more available and accessible now than they've been in close to 80 years (iirc).

My grandfather is a NY resident, lifelong. He's got his pistol permit, enlisted during Korea, is a lifelong conservationalist and outdoorsman, and shoots regularly. But pistol ownership is still something which scares him, to a degree, due to the legality of the matter; those bureaucrats, reporters and cops in NY really have the citizenry in a fearful tizzy, I tell you.
 
however by NYS law they CANNOT be: Judges, LEO, town Justices, related persons, persons of the same households, or any 2 persons of the same family
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That must be something new because I used a LEO for one of mine.
 
I agree with theFabulousfink, they are not real friends... Good friends support you even when they don't agree with your views.

regards,

Luis Leon
 
Because one sherriff in one county requires something it does not make it a "NYS law". Even actual laws that may be on the books are not always strictly enforced.

I guess I must be lucky, because I live in western NY and the only surprises I've had have been because people have been more PRO-GUN that I would have suspected. (like the notary in the town clerk's office who questioned my FL permit application... because she was tired on not being able to CCW out of state when she visited her family in the south).

None of my references were called, and the only restrictions were that they lived in my county and were not related. I was advised by a local gun shop not to include LEOs as references to eliminate any assumptions that I wanted a permit to be a cop-wannabe.

Everyone at the sherriff's office, several town clerk's offices, and even the state police station have always been polite, friendly and helpful (not to mention supportive) of any gun and/or permit dealings I've had.!
One more time: New York City ISN'T New York State.
 
Wait a second, you put people down as character references without talking to them in advance? I'd turn you down too simply because I would be upset that you didn't feel comfortable enough to talk to me about it...

Talk to your references first so you can clear up any questions they might have.
 
oh my this is pretty bad. I was considering getting my pistol permit (not cwp) here in Monroe County, NY.. If this requirement is true then well, forget it. I'm currently a college student living off campus here even though I've been here for 4+ years.. I recently purchased a permanent residence not too long ago. I suppose I'll have to call the PD and find out. Last time I called, it just sounded like, fill out the app and sit tight. That was last year but who knows what's up now. A couple of years ago, I was able to purchase a couple of rifles from wal mart from all of the places with a MA driver's license down the street here in NY.. Hm. ugh.
 
Jeezo pete, I thought this was for a CCW application, this is just to GET a handgun? Even the retardoland of Illinois I live in doesn't make you do that.
 
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