Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides

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Does anyone here have any insight or comments on this article? If it is indeed a "fact", it is a somewhat sobering one.

Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides

By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer

ATLANTA - The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves.

Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There was nothing unique about that year — gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent.

Public-health researchers have concluded that in homes where guns are present, the likelihood that someone in the home will die from suicide or homicide is much greater.

Studies have also shown that homes in which a suicide occurred were three to five times more likely to have a gun present than households that did not experience a suicide, even after accounting for other risk factors.

In a 5-4 decision, the high court on Thursday struck down a handgun ban enacted in the District of Columbia in 1976 and rejected requirements that firearms have trigger locks or be kept disassembled. The ruling left intact the district's licensing restrictions for gun owners.

One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted. The district has allowed shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks.

The American Public Health Association, the American Association of Suicidology and two other groups filed a legal brief supporting the district's ban. The brief challenged arguments that if a gun is not available, suicidal people will just kill themselves using other means.

More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies.

"Other methods are not as lethal," said Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.

The high court's majority opinion made no mention of suicide. But in a dissenting opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer used the word 14 times in voicing concern about the impact of striking down the handgun ban.

"If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence," Breyer wrote.

Researchers in other fields have raised questions about the public-health findings on guns.

Gary Kleck, a researcher at Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, estimates there are more than 1 million incidents each year in which firearms are used to prevent an actual or threatened criminal attack.

Public-health experts have said the telephone survey methodology Kleck used likely resulted in an overestimate.

Both sides agree there has been a significant decline in the last decade in public-health research into gun violence.
The CDC traditionally was a primary funder of research on guns and gun-related injuries, allocating more than $2.1 million a year to such projects in the mid-1990s.

But the agency cut back research on the subject after Congress in 1996 ordered that none of the CDC's appropriations be used to promote gun control.

Vernick said the Supreme Court decision underscores the need for further study into what will happen to suicide and homicide rates in the district when the handgun ban is lifted.

Today, the CDC budgets less than $900,000 for firearm-related projects, and most of it is spent to track statistics. The agency no longer funds gun-related policy analysis.
 
There was nothing unique about that year — gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent.

It appears that 3% of gun deaths are due to neglegence, 2% are proper killings.............. the balance, suicide and murder are from mis-use or abuse.

Also, I'd note that anybody who'd want to kill themselves or others, would probably find another way if they didn't have a gun.
 
I'm pretty sure this is a true fact.

Guns increase the likelihood a suicide attempt will be successful by a very heavy margin relative to the most common methods of suicide by unarmed people.

It takes a lot more willpower to muster up the resolve to cut deeply into one's forearm, and move the incision downward almost a foot than it does to point and click. This isn't to say that people never fail suicides with guns. Individuals who use full-sized shotguns usually fail more often than succeed. And it is an ungodly mess and real marathon plastic surgery to attempt to fix the aftermath. Basically, it's just hamburger with some tubes in what the surgeons identified as the oral cavity.

It is probably the case that if there were less guns, there would be less suicides. There would just be a lot more suicide attempts with pills would be my guess. That said, studies like this just speak to the need for more comprehensive mental health coverage, because everytime someone attempts suicide out of clinical depression, it's a failing of the medical system, regardless of whether or not they are successful.

To say that owning a gun = risk factor for suicide, however, is a classic logical fallacy - post hoc ergo propter hoc, to be exact.

EDIT: Added emphasis to a crucial point in all of this, which the antis would like us to ignore.
 
Gotta love how they try to establish a causal relationship between gun ownership and suicide. Does buying a gun somehow plant the seeds of suicide?

Since the Court ruling, the antis are really reaching. I'd like to see a study showing the number of people murdered in areas where they were disarmed by law. By the logic of antis, we should be able to chalk up each of them as a crime that would have been prevented if the victims had been armed.
 
I'd note that anybody who'd want to kill themselves or others, would probably find another way if they didn't have a gun.

That's what I would have thought as well. But the article stated the following points which - if true - would make a rational argument that the availability of guns increases the number of completed suicides.

One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted.

More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent.
 
One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted.

I'll bet that study could be easily disproved. Remember the ban was for handguns only, rifles and shotguns, which are far more deadly, could still be owned. Also consider that Americans, although well armed :), kill themselves at lower rates than other developed, less well armed, western countries.

Don't be taken in by the anti's propaganda!
 
Those are true facts that rainbow bob submitted about the suicide methods - not sure about the homicide/suicide rates one though. Almost all pill ODs that suicidal individuals engage in are failed attempts. Usually because they call someone to say goodbye, and that person is able to get the paramedics en route and get their stomach pumped in time to save them.

Factually, the antis have this one point correct - guns make suicide easier.

It's still not a good enough reason to ban/restrict guns.
 
They only tell you that when it suits their purposes. About 30,000 gun deaths annually, less than half are murder. For comparison, DUI kill 19,000 per year, alcohol overall kills 75,000, yet no one is calling for a ban on alcohol.

The question remains: does limited access to guns reduce suicide? Studies have shown that it doesn't. This makes perfect sense, seeing as there are at least half a dozen easy and effective ways to kill yourself. When access to guns is limited, people just choose another method.

As for the argument that gun suicides are more often successful, I have a hard time believing that 66% of people who actually want to kill themselves and jump from high places fail, and that 98% fail who try it by drug overdose. It is well known that a half-hearted suicide attempt is a plea for help. Perhaps the fakers are more likely to swallow 10 aspirin or jump from a second story balcony than try to fake it by gun to the head.
 
"studies have shown......"

Give me a break. Lets see the studies, at least cite them anyways, and show who is funding them. My goodness, what a piece of tripe, that bit of "reporting".
 
Also consider that Americans, although well armed , kill themselves at lower rates than other developed, less well armed, western countries.

Good point. Japan, having some of the most stringent firearms laws in the world, also has one of the highest suicide rates. The Nordic countries also have high suicide rates, in spite of "reasonable" regulations and "free" health care.
 
Because of "statistics" such as these, I would NEVER kill myself with a gun. ANY other way BUT a gun. And NO, I have no intention of killing myself. It's just one of those things I've thought about. It's like the fact that if I am pissed at someone, I would never shoot them. I might kick their ass (0K, years ago I would have kicked their ass), but I wouldn't shoot someone in anger. Self defense? Oh hell yes! That's a whole `nuther thing entirely! :rolleyes:
 
Sorry VirginiaShooter, but there is a significant number of legitimately suicidal people who just use the wrong drugs or misconstrue the proper suicidal dosage, and underestimate the falling distance required to be lethal regardless of how one lands.

Suicidal people rarely research the proper way to kill themselves, and as a result, often do what they saw in a movie, or what they perceive would do the job. With pills, they almost always just give themselves a toxic dose rather than the lethal dose because most of the readily available drugs require BOTTLES of the stuff to actually kill you.

Guns are just simply the best readily available way to guarantee a suicide is successful.

As for that 10% fail with a gun, it's usually due to, as I said, using a shotgun. When the individual pulls the trigger, they have to lean forward to do so, and often budge the gun in the process. The barrel is most commonly placed under the chin, with the direction of the shot towards the back of the head/spine. During the course of pulling the trigger, the angle changes, and the resulting shot often just goes through the face at a 90* angle, crushing and mangling bone and tissue.

EDIT: Just to let everyone know, I have done psych rotations and so forth, so I'm not just trying to be antagonistic here. Depression is one of the least understood diseases by the general public, and suicide is equally poorly understood. Because the brain isn't functioning properly in the majority of cases, the victim is not thinking too hard about the method, but rather the end result. There are exceptions to this, but often it's the case that the attempts are not elaborate or all that thought out at all. No one ever says, "I'll kill myself by giving myself using a 25cc full syringe of concentrated sodiumpentobarbitol that I stole from a vet clinic, administered after I take 12 vicodin to ensure that I don't feel the pain of it all." They usually just say, "I'm going to take a bunch of pills and then it'll all be over", demonstrating a clear lack of research on their part, but still demonstrating that they have both plan and intent to kill themselves.
 
I think what most people are trying to say is that having a gun does not make you more likely to commit suicide, but using a gun is often more sucessful than some other methods.
 
The anti's are now pushing gun control as necessary to prevent suicides. However they ignore the fact that Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world... and for all practical purposes, no guns. A person who is truly bent on suicide will usually find a way. Also suicides are self inflicted where homicide reflects one person unjustifiably killing another. I find the numbers to be unrelated. Should those who want to defend their lives and the lives of others be stripped of the means because someone else whats to end their own life? I think not.
 
My grat uncle commited suicide with a firearm. Was the gun the cause? No. His medication was all whacked out by his doctors. He was old and cranky and a little paranoid. He had cancer. In any case, he decided his time was up. So, he called the cops, calmly told them he was going outside to kill himself, and asked that they come and secure his firearm so it wouldn't end up in some punk kids hands. That's what he did. Single shot to the head with a .22. Out like a light.

Was it tragic? Yes. Did it have to happen? Maybe not. But, given his situation, I figure that he knew what he was doing. He had his reasons, and I respect that. He didn't want to go to pieces over a few years in the old folks home, while his mind slowly gave out.

The guy was tough as nails all his life. He lived through stuff that would have made softer people run to their support groups, 12-step programs, and psychologists. He just rubbed a little dirt on things and plodded on through life. And when his time came, he went out on his terms. Was his suicide a call-for-help? Nope. He made his decision, and carried it through in the surest, mosst efficient manner he knew how.
 
The Centers for Disease Control (and all the other fact-slinging statistical manipulators) should be warning people that the number of accidental deaths caused by physicians per year exceeds 120,000.

You're safer with your gun than you are with your doctor, if you want to throw numbers around.

Just the same, I have kids in the house, so all firearms and ammo are in a gun safe.

My younger brother committed suicide with my dad's shotgun back in 1971. He was 13 years old. The shotgun guaranteed him a one-way ticket. Would he have killed himself if there weren't a shotgun in the closet? Probably. Or maybe not. I'll never know.

I don't blame the gun, though.
 
If we were to follow that logic (not that I do) we would arrive at the conclusion that some people buy a gun expressly for the purpose of killing themselves. We already know that some people go to shooting ranges and rent a gun for the purpose of killing themselves, and that others commit suicide "by cop." We know that gun shops let people look at and handle guns. Has anyone heard of a customer of a gun shop loading a revolver IN THE SHOP and killing themselves? Are there any studies which report how long after purchasing a firearm people actually do commit suicide?

My guess is that people who are indeed suicidal, and have access to a gun, use it expressly due to the lethality of guns. That is about all that can be concluded from any numbers given by the anti's.
 
Biker Nut,

Do you have a link for the statistic you provided? I'd love to send that on to my anti brother.
 
The GunFacts website lists it all.

About 15k are suicides, 10k are criminals killing criminals and 5k are a group of other various reasons.
 
Here's the CDC statistics web site: http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
The statistics noted in the first post are pretty much reliable.

As stated above, many many countries with firearm bans have higher suicide rates. Wikipedia has a nice comparative table on suicide rates per nation.

Guns are made to kill, but prescription drugs and bridges are not. It's not a surprise that guns are more efficient at it.
 
It is probably the case that if there were less guns, there would be less suicides

Wrong! Google for facts about suicide in Japan. Their rate is even higher than ours and only the criminals and some police have guns over there.

--wally.
 
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