"Survival of the weak and scrawny", Jan Newsweek article

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Sorry if this has already been posted. I couldn't find it anywhere. I've included the text from the Newsweek article.

My first feeling on this is the same as always. As soon as I hear somebody talking about the "right to hunt" the next thing to be done is restrict that non-existent right in the name of saving the environment or protecting species.

Second, since I don't hunt medium or large game (I'm too lazy to carry any kill larger than a rabbit) I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm interested to hear what others think, though.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177709/output/print

It’s Survival of the Weak and Scrawny

Researchers see 'evolution in reverse' as hunters kill off prized animals with the biggest antlers and pelts.
Lily Huang
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Jan 12, 2009

Some of the most iconic photographs of Teddy Roosevelt, one of the first conservationists in American politics, show the president posing companionably with the prizes of his trophy hunts. An elephant felled in Africa in 1909 points its tusks skyward; a Cape buffalo, crowned with horns in the shape of a handlebar mustache, slumps in a Kenyan swamp. In North America, he stalked deer, pronghorn antelope, bighorn sheep and elk, which he called "lordly game" for their majestic antlers. What's remarkable about these photographs is not that they depict a hunter who was also naturalist John Muir's staunchest political ally. It's that just 100 years after his expeditions, many of the kind of magnificent trophies he routinely captured are becoming rare.

Elk still range across parts of North America, but every hunting season brings a greater challenge to find the sought-after bull with a towering spread of antlers. Africa and Asia still have elephants, but Roosevelt would have regarded most of them as freaks, because they don't have tusks. Researchers describe what's happening as none other than the selection process that Darwin made famous: the fittest of a species survive to reproduce and pass along their traits to succeeding generations, while the traits of the unfit gradually disappear. Selective hunting—picking out individuals with the best horns or antlers, or the largest piece of hide—works in reverse: the evolutionary loser is not the small and defenseless, but the biggest and best-equipped to win mates or fend off attackers.

When hunting is severe enough to outstrip other threats to survival, the unsought, middling individuals make out better than the alpha animals, and the species changes. "Survival of the fittest" is still the rule, but the "fit" begin to look unlike what you might expect. And looks aren't the only things changing: behavior adapts too, from how hunted animals act to how they reproduce. There's nothing wrong with a species getting molded over time by new kinds of risk. But some experts believe problems arise when these changes make no evolutionary sense.

Ram Mountain in Alberta, Canada, is home to a population of bighorn sheep, whose most vulnerable individuals are males with thick, curving horns that give them a regal, Princess Leia look. In the course of 30 years of study, biologist Marco Festa-Bianchet of the University of Sherbrooke in Quebec found a roughly 25 percent decline in the size of these horns, and both male and female sheep getting smaller. There's no mystery on Ram Mountain: male sheep with big horns tend to be larger and produce larger offspring. During the fall rut, or breeding season, these alpha rams mate more than any other males, by winning fights or thwarting other males' access to their ewes. Their success, however, is contingent upon their surviving the two-month hunting season just before the rut, and in a strange way, they're competing against their horns. Around the age of 4, their horn size makes them legal game—several years before their reproductive peak. That means smaller-horned males get far more opportunity to mate.

Other species are shrinking, too. Australia's red kangaroo has become noticeably smaller as poachers target the largest animals for leather. The phenomenon has been most apparent in harvested fish: since fishing nets began capturing only fish of sufficient size in the 1980s, the Atlantic cod and salmon, several flounders and the northern pike have all propagated in miniature.

So what if fish or kangaroos are smaller? If being smaller is safer, this might be a successful adaptation for a hunted species. After all, " 'fitness' is relative and transitory," says Columbia University biologist Don Melnick, meaning that Darwinian natural selection has nothing to do with what's good or bad, or the way things should be. Tusks used to make elephants fitter, as a weapon or a tool in foraging—until ivory became a precious commodity and having tusks got you killed. Then tuskless elephants, products of a genetic fluke, became the more consistent breeders and grew from around 2 percent among African elephants to more than 38 percent in one Zambian population, and 98 percent in a South African one. In Asia, where female elephants don't have tusks to begin with, the proportion of tuskless elephants has more than doubled, to more than 90 percent in Sri Lanka. But there's a cost to not having tusks. Tusked elephants, like the old dominant males on Ram Mountain, were "genetically 'better' individuals," says Festa-Bianchet. "When you take them systematically out of the population for several years, you end up leaving essentially a bunch of losers doing the breeding."

"Losers" tend not to be very good breeders, meaning that this demographic shift ultimately threatens the viability of a species. Researchers also worry that the surviving animals are left with a narrower gene pool. In highly controlled environments, a species with frighteningly little genetic diversity can persist—think of the extremes of domesticated animals like thoroughbred horses or commercial chickens—but in real ecosystems changes are unpredictable. Artificially selecting animals in the wild—in effect, breeding them—is "a very risky game," says Columbia's Melnick. "It's highly likely to result in the end of a species."

At present, researchers' alarm about these trends are based on theories that are hard to prove. To make scientific claims about the effects of hunting on the evolution of a species, researchers like Melnick would need thorough data from animal populations that lived at least several decades ago, which rarely exist. Evolution, it turns out, is a difficult beast to study in real time because it is the product of so many factors—changes in climate, habitat and food supply, as well as gene frequencies—and because it occurs so slowly. Researchers began tracking sheep on Ram Mountain in the early 1970s, corralling the entire population every year to make measurements and trace genealogies. "You cannot really just go out and take data and look for a trend," says Festa-Bianchet. "Even if you find a trend it can be due to environmental changes, to changes in density. You're really trying to tease out the genetic part of the change."

The time scale is one reason that most wildlife departments managing hunting harvests simply count the heads each year and decide how many to let hunters bag without thinking about genes. The most popular method of regulating hunting—restricting legal game to males with a minimum antler size—results in populations overrun with females and inferior males, which is ultimately no service to hunters. "The hunters wish for animals with large antlers and large horns, and yet their actions are making that harder to achieve," says Richard Harris, a conservation biologist in Montana. As a hunter, Harris knows that the outcome of this trend will satisfy no one, the Teddy Roosevelts of the next generation least of all.
 
Plenty of "trophy" game animals are going to still pass on their genes. Not everyone is going to kill the biggest ram, buck or bull. The fact still remains that hunting is the only effective management for some species especially whitetails.

The argument has a thin veneer of truth covering a political/environmental agenda.
 
Isn't hunting on the decline supposedly anyways? If that's the case, how is it that we have any trophy animals at all right now? Or were previous generations solely shooting smaller animals to preserve the trophies? Strangely enough I don't recall too many tales that start off "Yeah i passed on this 10 pointer cuz I wanted to preserve future generations, but anyways this spike buck, let me tell ya about that"
 
I think they may be jumping to conclusions a little here too. That is not to say hunting doesn't have an impact on a population, it absolutely does. Or it least it can. When you shoot all the big bucks out of a population, the younger ones will have more chances to breed. But younger bucks still have genes from their papa, so I would think it would take a lot of over-hunting to dessimate a gene pool. But sure, it could happen. The article is saying that humans are creating a selective pressure, and this pressure could result in the selection of animals that are not as attractive to hunters, but to say that it will favor "weak and scrawny" animals is basically nonsense. Horn size may not be much of a factor in determining overall health. There certainly is factual information in the article and they are not totally off base in my opinion, but they are jumping to some hasty conclusions. Younger animals are not "losers." And I'm not sure how they extrapolated that it is harder to find a big bull elk these days because of the problem on Ram Mountain in Canada. The article should focus more on the specific areas of study and not make such broad predictions to all species, in my opinion. A agree with john, I think maybe the author has a bit of political agenda.
 
It's a flawed theory....whoever supports it doesn't really understand the fundamentals of natural selection, wildlife and hunting. Yes, we generally target the largest oldest males (not all of us; some are strictly meat hunters; but on the whole, that is true). However,

1. Just because we target the biggest animals doesn't mean we get them - we target them in part because they are the hardest to get. They are the hardest to get because man has been targeting their kind for tens of thousands and years, and because the older they get, the more they learn from their environment and experienced how to "not get killt". Rest assured that many many of the largest would-be trophy animals die a natural death, having beat man at our game its entire life. Look at the Missouri Monarch, of of the largest whitetail antlers ever - found as a shed. I don't believe anyone ever found and shot the M.M.

2. Second, and most importantly, it doesn't matter! It doesn't matter because they've already passed on their genes by the time they're harvested (for the most part). Pretty much by definition (in the sexual evolutionary sense), and animal large enough to be a "trophy" is going to have impregnated many females along the way to maturity. It's genes live on.

Looks to me like a contrived anti-hunting theory. :(

I don't think the rams in Canada are any different than the whitetails around here or any other mammal for that matter, just because they are in fact "legally huntable before sexual maturity". Lots of yearling and 2-year-old bucks are shot, and while they are capable of reproducing, they're not going to be able to if a dominant buck lays claim to all the does. But that doesn't mean that there aren't also a lot that do survive to maturity to become a "trophy" animal. I dunno; perhaps there is some validity to the theory.
 
On most leases they have rules wherein you can't take anything less than an 8 or 10 point, any non-typical or "scrawny" deer is game as well.

I don't see the problem. The super-typical / youngest and best specimens are preserved. These people are not using modern game management programs in their article, they are talking about outdated 1940 - 1970 type hunting.
 
It doesn't matter because they've already passed on their genes by the time they're harvested
Yeah, I would have to agree with that. These animals are being harvested at their peak, so they have passed on their genes already. For this theory to have real potential, I think conditions would have to be just right and generally doesn't happen.
 
The writer's problem is the lack of understanding: So hunters take a half-dozen El Muy Grandes from an area. So what? That's nowhere near all there are. "Lots more where those came from." And as pointed out earlier in this thread, their genes are already floating in the pool...

A serious trophy whitetail is what, 5-1/2 to 7-1/2 years old? Aren't his genes already in the pool from previous years' fun? Anybody figure he hasn't been busy already, this season?

As far as fur trapping, the deal there is the amount of animals which can be taken. That is, a percentage of the total number of animals, such that the species numbers remain fairly constant. And, for sure, a trap can't figure out which critter has better fur than some other critter ambling along the trail. The trapper's price per pelt will vary with quality, and he doesn't throw away a lesser-quality pelt. IOW, the trapper is not selecting the "better fur" to trap.

Folks write about environmental issues. Shame they don't know much about the subject.
 
You need Wolves.:evil:

It fairly eveident that were the top of the food chain, and we can directly effect our environment.
Woodland Buffalo, Plains Buffalo, Passenger Pidgions, Plains Elk, etc....

Shooting the largest and "Best" as they mature into "The Best" still takes away the additional years that they breed while at that "best".
Its %adge wise that this effect, over the Years has had its effect. It may be as simple as genetic loss of immunitys, allowing disease to get a grip on a herd.
I also belive that some areas are impacted (heavy hunting by people) and some are not (lots of room or inexcessable to most hunters)and it veries from place to place.
I am of the opinion and practise that I do NOT shoot sick, weak or malformed animals, and I think I can resonable assume thet you fellas dont either.
They live, they breed.

The bad fur idea is bunk. Traps dont choose.
 
The problem with the flawed theory is that it also dosen't take into account the total population at the beginning with the LARGE animals, and the current population with the "smaller animals".

In most areas, the populations of the game species are at abnormal and unsustainable highs. With increased population, you have deminished animal size due to lack of nutrition. Observe whats happened with the human population and size. We're on average ~3" taller, and 50lbs heavier than our great-grand fathers. This is due to better nutrition and disease control. Take that away, and you have whats going on in much of Africa. Add other factors such as disease, population dynamics, weather, ect. ect. you can see what happens with large human populations. If what the author believed actually occured in "living" populations vs. "theoritical" populations, why haven't humans all become dwarfs due to wars and warfare, famine, floods, ect. "killing off" our strongest, brightest and best "humans"....???? Rather, we're getting bigger, stronger, smarter (questionable!) and living longer.............At least where politics allows us too..........

Secondly, after the populations have been high for a period of time, habitat degredation occurs. Consider the effect that 50yrs of cotton farming had on the "old south" back in the late 1700's and 1800's. In many areas of the agricultural "south", the soil is just now showing recovery from the over farming of cotton and the nutrient depletion that occured. Hence, also with improvements in farming technique, cotton is making something of a "come-back" in these traditional areas where it hadn't been profitable for generations.

FWIW; most of the deer populations were eliminated by 1900 due to uncontrolled subsistence hunting and commercial hunting, and were't re-estabilished until the late '60's. We're down from the high populations, but the "damage" has been done in many areas. When the populations were low but recovering and most animals lived much longer than is the norm now with the populations being managed by large numbers (mathmatically speaking) of the "members" of the population being taken, the specimens were of course, on average, measureably larger bodied.. This reduction of populations is of course to reduce auto insurance claims with regards to big-game populations.......amoung other reasons.

It really is hard to argue and compare apples with oranges......... Especially when the person you're discussing with doesn't comphrend the difference. They're both fruit, aren't they....???????????

The fact that T. Roosevelt and Muir stood shoulder to shoulder is that most so-called "environmentalists", have been "indoctrinated" rather than "educated". Hunting is just another of many "tools" to accomplish effective wildlife management. Muir understood that, and realized too, that it was and is the "hunter" that puts his money where his "mouth" is when it counts......
 
Truthfully I would expect that because of hunting white tales would be getting smarter. Lots of hunters out there will shoot the first legal thing that comes by their stand, so dumb animals are getting thinned out along with the few big'uns that get bagged every year. I don't see how it is creating a problems. I know here locally the deer are bigger and healthier now than at any time in my life. MORE big deer are being killed because there are MORE big deer out there. Plenty of does, spikes, and other smaller fare being bagged as well.
 
Hmmm, Maybe I shouldn't have shot that 14 pt buck in November. Nope, I guess my give darn is busted.
BTW do they still call it hunting in Texas? Everybody just picks out a buck from their private baited and penned herd on thier lease.
Ok, I'm teasing. I love Texas, and plan to return soon. But is there public hunting in Texas?
 
Ahh yes, I had an organic evolution class where we discussed this once. It is completely true and seen in food fish populations worldwide, and their average size continue to decline.

It's not just about passing on its genes, it's passing on it's genes the MOST. Passing on it's genes with greatest frequency. When the largest animals are the most hotly pursued, it produces selective advantage to those that reproduce earlier and more frequently.

They will father many times the progeny of the one that grow quickly into large and imposing specimens.
This gives an advantage to staying small, rather than animals that develop into the enormous awe-inspiring beasts we all love.

The solution implemented in many game management programs is to set the season for animals between a certain size. No smaller than ___, but also no larger than ___ may be harvested.
 
Judging by the staggering numbers of pictures I see every year, taken of hunters who are willing to shoot a little forkhorn buck instead of a doe (for reasons that I can't understand) I call BS.

There are monster deer being taken all over the midwest. The situation may be different with elephants because they are a much smaller population.

Elephant hunting is still a necessity in Africa because of economics and the preservation of the natives food plots.

White hunters spend thousands of dollars per hunt that would disappear if the PETA types banned hunting. Animals that can be hunted are worth something to the Africans. Animals that can't be hunted and like to eat your melons are pests and will be eradicated. The idiots at PETA can't make the connection.
 
"Survival of the weak and scrawny"

Sorry to disagree with the crowd here, but this theory rings true--proven by the fact that the author of the "news article" is able to survive and presumably prosper.

The smaller deer I've seen are in places that are overpopulated, underhunted.
 
This has been kicked around at LEAST since I was in school studying wildlife and fisheries management in the early 70s. Thing is, modern management, at least in Texas, is FOR the desired characteristics and old bucks are culled after they're bred a few years. Undesirables are taken out as "management bucks". The buck/doe ratio is kept at desirable levels to insure the health of the heard.

Now, I don't know about public land in other states, but in Texas, management of the herds insured the survival of the fittest. After all, that's what management is about on big game ranches all over the state. Many of these ranches hire biologists to manage their herds. The down side is the money it takes to hunt those deer, but the health of the deer population is not really in question.
 
I don't think it sounded anti-hunting. I think it was simply stating what appears to be true. So what? Just because someone mentions that trophy hunting may have a negative impact doesn't make them anti or that it should be outlawed. Hunting also has a positive impact by thinning herds, preserving land, etc. I am a rabid mountain biker and I realize that some of the criticism about their uses are true. So what? I still do it because I think everyone should share the great outdoors. Would I let one of my kids walk in front of me uphill on a trail I know is frequented by fast downhillers? No. Do I walk in the woods with my dog and family during deer season? No, and I don't complain because hunters have their place in the woods. We can all accept that what we do can have negative impact but not be wrong or feel bad about it. The guy writing the article is negatively impacting the earth by his mere existence and the consumption that living entails. So should we all shoot ourselves or work to ease conflicts and minimize our damage in the outdoors? Not every trail should be open to bikes nor all closed. Don't ban hunting but don't let hunters do whatever, whenever, they please. Compromise. Mountain bikes and hunters want the same things, forests to go do there things in. Mountain bikers should stay out of the woods during deer season for self preservation but also to insure hunters don't have to have there quarry scared away or worry about killing someone.
 
Hunting is definetely on the decline in my area. As a child, my father and I hunted very frequently, every weekend and if he could get off work during the week and almost every afternoon once he got off work, we would be in the woods. Back in the 70's and 80's on the weekends you could drive to town and see numerous hunters out and about, everyone dressed in the cammies with orange vests a blazing, you would even see a nice deer or two slung across the hood of the truck or in the back. I hate to see the decline in hunting but with articles like this and the overall decline, I would say that there are significant negative changes on the horizon for us all. For our childrens sake, I hope these changes are sensible and keep conservation (the kind I like to practice) in mind but I'm afraid we will be seeing a greater push to ban hunting in the name of saving the planet.........
 
I disagree Mike2. When places lack hunters the population explodes, car/deer accidents increase, lyme disease rises, and environmental degradation occurs. Google Whitetail Solutions. They hunt in an area where hunters are few and far between, the suburbs literally, to bring down rampant deer populations. This has been occuring in many areas where hunting is fading or gone. When people start crashing cars or getting lyme disease because of excessive herd sizes people don't care what the antis say. They want the deer thinned and embrace hunting.
 
I'm sure Newsweek has assured themselves that paleo-indians in N. America only hunted smaller animals with less desirable features for 20,000 years. Yeah, that makes sense. Who doesn't like withered game with poor pelts when it means life or death.

I trust that my state Fish & Game department has collected the appropriate data to manage a viable population of a given animal as best they can and issued stamps accordingly.
 
Survival of the Weak and Scrawny

The same theory applies to our social scientists and over-bearing government...The "higher order" powers are busy hunting the strong, smart, and successful while subsidizing the weak and less-capable. Soon mankind will be filled with "populations overrun with females and inferior males" as well.
 
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