Survival Water Options

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BerettaNut92

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Apologies to mod--I know some survival related stuff goes in S&T but since we're talking water filters and tablets, thought maybe it belonged here?

I have about 120 liters of Aqua-Literz in the garage. They're heavy but last 5 years and I know they're safe. They're a bit much to carry so I keep it down to 3 liters in my pack and need a way to get water when out and about.

I need a good compact low-mileage water filter--i.e. something that won't be used much except for emergencies and is compact and easy to store. I hear the Katadyn things are good. I know they're expensive which isn't a problem but I don't want to be paying for output speed or whatever I won't be using.

I'll also be looking to get those purification tabs to dump in the filtered water to be extra safe. Will use the Camelbak for drinking and probably the Nalgene bottle as a buffer or storage container.

Thoughts? What's smallest thing that Katadyn makes? The best purification tabs?
 
I have a SweetWater filter, was given to me by the doc who did the testing for the SEALS when they wanted one.
He prefered the SweetWater and thought it was a very good filter. However, it didn't pass the SEALS abuse/drop test requirement.

For tablets I think you're either getting iodine or chlorine. Both have pro's and cons. I'm not familiar with commercial ones, only bulk/military stuff.

Iodine, some people are allergic to it, if they can't do shellfish they probably won't be able to do the tabs. Also impacts taste (will turn pasta blue which is a great Halloween trick) and won't take out all viruses.
Also, since it's not normally in our water may be harder to get used to.

Chlorine is usually in the municipal water just trace amounts though, has a plus since most people are used to it already. Will work on most nasties but takes time and a higher concentration if it's bad to start with. Good thing is that it will "cook off" and be better tasting after a while. Can cause the runs if too high a concentration (pool water like) is used. A plus to me is that you can use HtH pool treatment or bleach if you have the charts to figure out how much to use. Lets you buy a lot for not much money. Be careful storing the powdered stuff though, and don't buy scented bleach!

A third tablet that I can think of are the flocuating (sp) ones. These bind to the particles in the water and pull them to the bottom, excellorates the settling process basically. Not common to find and are only of use if you have nasty water and not much time to treat it.

Hope that helps some.
 
I've had a Katadyn Pocket filter for quite a few years now and I can say with confidence that it's the absolute best filter of its size that you can buy. I've tried others and nothing else is as rugged or filters any better. And although the replacement filters are expensive, they last a very long time (13,000 gallons). And they contain Colloidal Silver which prevents bacteria growth in the filter element.
I see they even have a special tactical black version now!

http://www.katadyn.net/katadyn_pocket.html
 
A third tablet is the flocuating ones, they bind to impurties and pull them to the bottom...........

Alum does the same thing and may be the ingredient in the tablets. Alum is used as one of the purification steps in municiple water treatment plants.
People who have wells also dump alum into the water periodically to settle it out. Lime and charcoal are also used afterwards.
 
Skunk, go with the Katadyn Mini. It's 8 oz., fits in a BDU pocket easily, has a .2 micron silver-impregnated filter, and can process 2,000 gallons before needing a filter change. That is what I use when hiking and camping, it works great, and is very light.
 
I have had Giardia, so I may be an expert!

I have the Katadyn Hiker model and it works well and is fairly compact/lightweight

I carry Potable Aqua tablets in my pack/Camelback in case I get stuck

Beats getting water from a stock tank and using a bandanna to keep out the chunks! (long scary story)
 
I've traveled in places like India, Nepal, Morroco, Iran, Jordan, Thailand and Mexico, and I've been sick from the water. Really sick.
:barf:
If you're serious about staying healthy, get the best filtration/purification system you can find or afford.
 
So when I finally go to China (vacation cancelled last April due to SARS) I'll be safe with the filter and tablets and won't need to always boil the water?
 
Yes. You could use the tablets, then filter the water, and you'd be very safe. The Katadyn filters are used worldwide by many, including organizations like the Red Cross.
How are you going to get your Beretta over there? ;)
 
In the great outdoors, most of my water gets boiled as well ...since I am using it for cooking after filtering.

Boiling is tricky especially at altitude...get high enough and it never gets hot enough. (unless you use a pressure cooker)

I would recommend filtering into a container...the adding the tablets
 
harrydog. Can't get the Beretta into China. Besides with the Chicoms using their own people as target stands I'm sure I'll do fine. I'll obtain an indiginous pocket knife if legal.

Obiwan, filtered water will probably go into a 32oz Nalgene bottle then I'll add the tablets. After 4 hours it'll go in the Camelbak. Does that sound reasonable?

And if it works in China I assume it'll work very well in the US in most given survival situations?
 
I have the same kind of filter as as harrydog, the Katadyn filter that weighs about a pound, a pound and a half. Both it and the smaller Katadyn use ceramic filters, down to .2 microns, IIRC. The larger one lasts much longer, pumps faster, and weighs more - you pays your money and you takes your chances. (I enjoy taking mine apart and feeling the really smooth disassembly screws.) If I were doing it again, I'd buy the smaller one, unless I had to pump for more than one person. There are easier pumping systems on the market. These are the "tactical" versions of water filters, and the larger is/was NATO/STANAG (standard). This was in my luggage while in the Middle East. For shorter term suituations, the lighter duty Sweetwater is very well thought of, though I've never owned one.

I've never carried any iodine pills for purifying water, since the iodine crystals are so easy to own. It's a little two-ounce plastic bottle with iodine crystals inside and a basic temperature gauge strip on the outside. You fill the bottle with water and let the solution super-saturate, then add an amount of the solution to a canteen based upon the temperature and turbidity of the water. It lasts much longer and treats much more (tens? hundreds? of times as much) water as the same size pill bottle. It stores basically forever, also. This was in my hand-carry while in the Middle East.

The .2 micron filter size is a good general use factor. It'll stop flukes and cysts (giardia), but not viruses. I think the iodine will get them, though. Iodine alone will not penetrate cysts unless it's approximately twice the normal strength, again IIRC. Unless you're allergic to it, that shouldn't be a problem, however.

I'd consider the cleaning factor, also. The Katadyn's, at least, pump in such a fashion as to allow you to scrape any micro-cootie (technically speaking) crud off of the outside of the filter element ceramic after you remove it from its casing. Ensure you don't have to clean the inside of anything, since that's harder to get clean.

I'd avoid anything like the "First Need" filter, which is a "depth filter." It uses activated charcoal. The charcoal cleans the micro-cooties out okay, but it leaves them buried in the nice warm, wet filter case, just waiting for the next serving of water to come through. Yuck - putting new water in contact with cooties then trying to re-clean it is a big turn-off, Bob. Also, depth filters tend to clog (like any filter), then if you push the plunger harder to compensate, hydraulic pressure forces the plastic walls away from the charcoal, (possibly) allowing water to flow outside of the filter mechanism. There are so many better ways to do this that I wouldn't even use one of these as a backup to a backup.

For really hard-core survival (as opposed to your trip), there's always a solar still. It's a little hard to carry and slow to use in the PRC, however.

The filter alone always worked for me, that and the bottled water. Make sure waiters and the like open the sealed bottled water at your table. Sometimes they like to save a little money by filling bottled water up at the faucet.

Water isn't your only problem, however; the food is also an issue. Don't eat any leafy green vegetables (think about their fertilizing mehods), and peel fruit yourself. Don't eat cheeses or cream sauces (I'm speaking from experience, here.) Icecubes in drinks? - be paranoid.

Expect some stomach discomfort, just based upon new food and drink that isn't familiar. It doesn't have to be dysentery when you're doing the "two-step" to the nearest facility. Carry your own TP - nothing bad, just sometimes there isn't any when you need it. Carry PeptoBismol in tablet form, and a lot of it, from home. Whatever you do, DO NOT USE Lomotil, what we used to refer to as the "little white stopper." Lomotil is effective in stopping the trots, but, just to be graphic for a second, think about it. If your body wants to get rid of something that badly, why do you want to keep it inside? At worst, you could have some form of cootie that would drill through your colon and cause peritonitis, something I don't want in a US hospital, let alone some other country's.

Consider a hepatitis C injection, just before going.

Well, thus concludeth "Travel Hygiene 101."

Jaywalker
 
It might be a good idea to check with your doctor to see what other types of vaccinations/medications he recommends for travel to that part of the world . Be advised, those gamma globulin shots hurt!
Frankly, if bottled water is available I'd drink that as much as possible. I don't enjoy drinking water that must be filtered or chemically treated in the field to make it potable. If you have no choice, that's a different story.
And yes, open the bottle yourself if possible - waiters can make it look like they're opening a sealed bottle when they're not. In very poor countries it can be very tempting to charge the comparatively rich tourist for one thing and give them something else. It seems to be universal.
 
Don't have the experience of the other posters here, but I'd suggest you treat the water first, then filter it, rather than "filter-then-treat". It will taste muuuuuuuch better.
 
Actually Pot-Aqua have those new companion tabs that do pretty good job of removing the taste.

And I have always thought the iodine does a better job if the water isn't "chunky"
 
As just mentioned, Potable aqua has the pack with 2 bottles. 1 iodine and 1 neutralizer. If you want to save $ or already have iodine, you can just pack vitamin C tablets (not the chewables) to neutralize the iodine taste. Crush a tablet and drop it in your treated water. It will take to iodine taste away.

Just a quick money saving tip.

P.S. I love my MSR miniworks filter. It is only a filter and not a purifier, but it does what I need it to, and is very user friendly and easily maintained.

One other hint: Go to your local REI Store and try out all of the filters mentioned here--they should be on display near a fake pond or simulated stream. They want you to use them and will open one up for you to try if it isn't already on display.

usp_fan
 
Anyone heard of the Miox water purifier? Granted, it's not a water filter, but it does inactiviate a lot of bacteria and virii. Only downside I see is that it needs batteries and it takes a while to kill some of the nasty stuff (3-4 hours).

Still, looks good for purifiying large quantities of water... say, if you collect water in a barrel or something. You can use the Potable Aqua stuff to treat the small stuff when you're really thirsty and can't wait.

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=34333177&prmenbr=226
 
The MIOX pen really looks like a good idea, particularly if you can plan ahead for the multi-hour wait needed to kill cryptosporidium. It's certainly smaller than most alternatives at 3.5 ounces. You add salt, shake a little, push the button once for each liter to be treated, and pour it into the water to be treated. Neat.

There are a couple of web sites with MIOX mentioned, and they apparently expect to release it to consumers Fall 2003.

Jaywalker
 
PolarPur - only a few ounces to carry and purifies around 500 gallons. Not very gadgety, though. Kept me in good stead across Africa, south Asia, etc.
 
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