Swords where and what to buy????

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O.K. I may sound silly but I was thinking of getting a sword just for the heck of it. I guess it's the kid in me. I would like to find an affordable good quality Katana. I know little to nothing on the subject. What would I look for where might I find what I want? How much should I pay? I want it to look good and be practicle for fighting. Probably never happen but hey what if the zombies attack and I'm all out of bullets. Is the stuff for sale on the T.V. any good?

All info is appreciated. Thanks,
 
Do not use the stainless steel swords sold on TV for anything other than decoration!

While they may be sharpened, they tend to be very brittle due to the way they are produced. Under extended use, one can expect them to develop cracks or even break. Several feet of sharpened steel flying around is definatly a safty concern:what:

You want a differentially heat treated carbon steel sword if you intend to use it. Expect to pay anywhere from $150 + on a sword you can expect not to break under use.

Check out sites like this:

http://www.swordsdirect.com/paul_chen_professional.html
 
Several feet of sharpened steel flying around is definatly a safty concern

That well-known infomercial clip is a good case in point, so to speak ;-)

I like my Gen2 Gladius. It's a bit heavier than some of the higher end swords but it's well made and tough.
 
Museum Replicas, Cold Steel and several other companies make swords that are meant to be used. Most are meant to be decorations.

Look for steels like 5160. This is leaf spring steel, and when heat treated to 52-56 Rc, makes for a good fighting blade.
 
Is the stuff for sale on the T.V. any good?

No

Using a cheap stainless blade "katana" is dangerous. Those things are for hanging on the wall and impressing the uninformed. Look at this prime example of the durability and safety of such sword-like objects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z18X1jmj15w

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Paul Chen makes the lowest price usable "katana" available. They're available from dealers who sell CAS Iberia swords with the Hanwei Forge label. Prices for the "Practical Pro" are under $500.

Kris Cutlery also makes good users under $500.
 
El T,

I've got both the Hanwei and the Kris Cutlery katanas. Both are good cutters, and save my more expensive ones from use.
 
Cold Steel's Warrior series is very durable and good for the money...you should be able to find them for a lower price online then what CS sells them for directly.
 
i have katanas from cold steel, kris cutlery, paul chen, and bugei. if you're looking for something afforddable, get the CS or KC swords, they're a GREAT value. i have an older bugei sword (about 10 years old), and it's my baby, but they're pricey. the paul chen i have is also older, 1st gen shinto style, and while it's pretty, i wouldn't use it in a fight. i'd grab the CS katana 1st.
 
check these guys out...NOT cheap but I've seen them take a katana and cut through another $400 sword and then slice a pole in half after.

They are AMAZING. But I think I'd rather buy a 50 Barrett for the price ;)
 
here's a second vote for sword-buyers-guide.com. if you really want solid advice on affordable katana or other swords head over to their forum.

i would recommend looking at cheness, paul chen/hanwei, or oni forge (there should be some available in the classifieds over there). a lot of people dig musashi swords. they're about the least expensive katana you'll find that are safe to use. of course, safety is a relative term when talking about a 3' long piece of sharpened steel.

jason
 
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http://www.coldsteel.com/swords.html

I don't know about them being the worlds strongest swords, but they seem like they're pretty decent for the money. They included a DVD on their swords when I requested a knife catalog and they looked pretty good to me. They cut several dead pigs completely in half with one blow, they cut 3 and 1/2 inch bamboo, they hacked at several racks of ribs, rattan mats rolled up to 4 or 5 inches in diameter, buckets and garbage cans filled with water, they cut telephone books in half and all kinds of other stuff. They also took several of their swords and stuck them in a vice and bent them almost to the side and they didn't break or bend.

That says something.
 
i've read that the cold steel katana aren't very well balanced and are a bit on the heavy side.

any good sword should have a good amount of flex, dependent on the sword style. how much do you want to pay? you can spend anywhere from $65 to thousands and that is probably the biggest factor in determining which manufacturer you should look at.

jason
 
O.K. I may sound silly but I was thinking of getting a sword just for the heck of it. I guess it's the kid in me. I would like to find an affordable good quality Katana. I know little to nothing on the subject. What would I look for where might I find what I want? How much should I pay? I want it to look good and be practicle for fighting. Probably never happen but hey what if the zombies attack and I'm all out of bullets. Is the stuff for sale on the T.V. any good?

All info is appreciated. Thanks,

Kris cuterly offers 29" and 26" Katana with proper heat treated and they got good review from Sword forum .I have yet to get one so I don't have first hand experience with them .

gb6491's recommendation for Banshee is also not a bad choice and I own one of this Dha and it is acceptionally well made and has good lenght and size- not too long nor too short and not too heavy. The grip is hard to get use because it taper downward (it should be otherway around for more secure grip)
 
Paul Chen's Hanwei Forge has been the performance standard for production katana for quite some time. They're primarily retailed through CAS Iberia's dealer network. Kris Cutlery and Last Legend also make good products.

The two current makers I'd recommend are Cheness and the Musashi brands. Both these firms make mostly spring tempered monosteel blades. These are non-traditional, but better for beginners because a spring tempered blade is harder to bend or chip.

Musashi is the current choice for very inexpensive but quality swords. Musashi makes light cutters that retail for around $60 (this one was well reviewed on Sword Buyers Guide and is currently on closeout for $55). They also make heavier cutters that are generally retailing around the $160 mark. Then main difference between the two is size (27" vs 29" blades) and carbon content (1045 vs 1060).

Cheness is best known for making the toughest blades out there. Their Tenchi and Shura are forged from 9260 silicon spring steel. They're amazing blades and Sword Buyers Guide loves them. They generally retail around $250 from most online retailers.
 
I found a couple of those Cold Steel video segments that I was talking about.

It's just in dribs and drabs instead of the whole thing.

Bending the CS Katana at an angle and slicing rattan mats rolled up and chunks of meat in half.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uku1R5db-BI

Close up of rattan mat with CS Katana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uVNCAMVFI

CS Viking Sword.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3Tkij372I

If you want just order a catalog from them and they'll send you a video if you're interested, both are free.
http://order.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/wg-request-catalog?csstoreonline
 
I have been training in and teaching Japanese Sword Arts for a number of years. I own swords from Paul Chen, Bugei, Kris Cutlery as well as customs from Howard Clark, Bob Engnath, James Raw, etc. Right now I probably have 12 to 15 katana. I am an owner of a commercial dojo as well as having a private training facility, so most are used regularly.

Some ideas about makers in your price range, which is sort of the mid-range for production swords. That means, of course, that the field offers a number of good choices.

Paul Chen / Hanwei Forge – has been around the longest of the current production sword makers, perhaps with the exception of Kris Cutlery; makes higher end swords for Bugei as well as some others; wide range of products and prices, usually available at discount. I saw the new models from their performance line and had a chance to try them out on some mats – some excellent cutters in that line. Marketed in the US through C.A.S. Iberia.

Last Legend – I have not seen recent ones, but was not real keen on the looks of the early models, mighty awful looking IMHO. They make some swords with a ridiculous amount of sori (curve), very awkward and designed just for cutting. On the other hand, I saw one stand up to some horrible abuse at a cutting seminar, where it was the sword used for beginners.

Cold Steel – imports some Japanese swords; pretty crude IMHO and over-priced. Handle like crowbars but are probably just as tough. The usual issues some people have, of course, with CS and LT.

Cheness –The fittings are pretty pedestrian but the swords seem to perform well and buyers generally seem pleased. Recently, I had a chance to try some of the new Cheness SGC swords. The construction and fittings were plain, but well done and appear very durable. Probably not the best "all around" sword since they are fairly blade heavy for kata use. I ended up buying 8 for the dojo and students. They are patterned on the “Hataya” cutting swords. They are really tough. Attached is a pic of me cutting a 2 mat roll. I can also tell you that the sword will cleanly cut a 2 mat roll and a 1-1/2” pine dowel with no edge damage. :p They may have the best selection in the under $400 area.


These specialized blades were built based upon a custom designed sword created expressly for dojo cutting exercises. After more than half a year in planning and preparation, we have finally completed our SGC series for production... effectively bringing down the price of this sword from a $5,000 to $7,000 custom built range down to less than 1/10th of that cost.These swords are broader and thinner than a standard katana. With a weight distribution optimized for cutting exercises. The entry angle of the cutting edge is effectively minimized by the geometry and is only made feasible with the Cheness Spring Steel, which aids in maintaining the edge durability. Click on the photo of the swords below to read the details of this special series of cutters.

Dynasty Forge – make a wide range of swords, some in your price range; generally good fitting and well thought of.

Bugei –Usually considered the top of the production sword heap, most prices well over $1000. I own a couple of Bugei swords, and several of my students do, as well. This is generally the level I look for when a student moves from an iaito to a live sword. Most new swords over your price range, but you can often pick up a nice used one from someone moving up to a custom. Try the classifieds at swordforum or other on-line sources.

Oni Forge– decent fittings, good cutters.

Kris Cutlery – now makes a sword with simple Higo fittings for about $450. I have not sen one but Kris has been around for a long time.

Furuyama – OK fittings, I have never seen or used one but have heard they are a decent performer

http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/ - has a ton of information and reviews of lower priced swords; I have not read it all nor do I vouch for it, but it might be a good place to start getting some info.

Now, as to weight, length, etc. that can be a really complex question. Obviously, from the field above you will have a vast range of blade and tsuka (handle) lengths, how much sori (curve), kissaki (tip – the pointy part) style as well as the amount of niku, which literally translates into "meat". It's a term used to describe the tendency of a traditional Japanese blade to have a bulging cross section on the side surface. A fine article written by Keith Larman, who has taught me much of what I know, and probably a bit that I have forgotten, about Japanese swords – can be found here

http://www.bugei.com/larman.html

A lot depends on what you will want the sword for, and if you are training in a Japanese Sword Art. If you are, of course, the routine advice is – “ask your sensei”. Different styles require different configurations. Also, a sword that may be the right length for an experienced practitioner will likely be too long for a beginner.

There are a number of swords out there sold under the names Masahiro, Musashi, Furubushido and Ryumon. While it I hard to argue their “bang for the buck”, with these swords selling in the $50 to $100 range on e-bay, these are not really what I would trust as functional swords. I think these are all churned out by the Long Quan forge in China and they have a reputation for little or no inspection or quality control. They are predominantly sold on e-bay, and have no return policies or contact for the most part. I definitely would not use one for anything more than decoration, although I am aware that many people do.

Getting a proper sword is important for a couple of reasons beyond snobbery. Critical failure in the tsuka / handle turns the sword from a cutting weapon into a projectile one. There is simply a lot of fitting involved in making and fitting the core, then wrapping it. Even in the Chinese imports, it is hard to get proper construction below a certain price level. Most of my production swords have (Chen, Bugei) have custom tsuka / handles.

Issue two is the quality of the blade, which is primarily a function of the heat treat. A poorly treated blade will fail, and catastrophically – meaning it breaks and turns part of the blade into a projectile weapon. A couple of years ago one manufacturer’s line had talk of several broken blades around the US, and I had the opportunity to examine several of them at a well known smith’s shop. He showed me the consequence of the faulty heat treat in the steel, and it was scary stuff.

With all the decently made swords available for a modest price increase, I don't see the reason to go with something that may be unsafe. YMMV, of course. I don't have much experience with these swords, having seen them on a handful of occasions.
 

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The best sword for the money is the Paul Chen (Hanwei) Practical Katana. I've had mone for about eight years now and it was one of my first swords. Been a member over at www.swordforum.com for about a decade now and I have a number of Angus Trim's, Paul Chen's, Del Tin's and a few from Windlass Steelcrafts.

Even though I've been doing Aikido for many years and train with the Japanese sword regularly I still prefer to collect the western blades.

The Practical Katana or the Practical Plus is a fine sword and pretty much the bvest you can get for under $200. Its got decent balance, strong fittings and a traditional feel. I'm not impressed with many of the swords that Cold Steel produces, I don't care for the way they are made or the way they feel.

Buy the Practical Katana if you want the best at the best price....
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CISH1070

Or for a bit more money you can buy the Practical Plus if you want something a little better....
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=2073GT
 
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