T3 vs. Vanguard

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So I'm looking for a .338 Win Mag and both Watherby and Tikka make them in there Vanguard and T3 respectively. Both of them are very nice rifles for very nice prices. So my question is which one and why?

Edit: Recoil doesn't really matter as I plan on putting a muzzle brake and recoil pad on it, which I've been told, and experienced with a 7mm Rem Mag, makes it whole different, and softer, animal.
 
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For that caliber, without researching weights first, I would guess the Vanguard would absorb recoil a little better.

That being said, I currently own 3 Tikka's and 0 Vanguards.
 
I would take the T3 as it's very well balanced and has an extremely nice trigger along with a 3 shot MOA guarantee.
 
I like the Tikka rifle much better in most calibers, but would have to go Vanguard here. The Tikka is a 6 lb rifle, the Vanguard is about 8 lbs. Even if you can stand up to the recoil it will be a scope killer with that much recoil in such a light rifle.
 
I have a Vanguard and like it a lot, but I would lean towards the T3.
They are quiet a bit lighter weight and the weight is really my only complaint about the Vanguard.

The recoil difference regarding the weight will be made up by the brake and a good recoil pad.
 
The Van 2 is now "guaranteed" by Weatherby to hold under 1.5-inches at 100 yards with good ammunition.

Saturday I worked with one in .223 that produced a best 3-shot group of one half inch.
Of the four loads tested, three did their best groups under an inch.

Trigger is adjustable, but that one came at 2.75 pounds from the factory, and I'm leaving it alone. :)

Get whichever you want, I'm just saying the Vanguards are too underrated & too overlooked.
Denis
 
When I bought my Vanguard they came with the target in the box.
WalMart had 3 in stock and I had them bring them all out. They were all good but one was a one holer. I haven't found a load yet that it won't hold under 1.5" and most are sub-moa.
 
Lots of Tikka-vs-Weatherby threads these days. That's not bad - both are fine rifles.

  • Both are well made. The Tikka has a better fitment between parts, but both are more than adequate.
  • Both are accurate, but in my experience the Tikka will be more consistently so than the Howa/Vanguard.
  • The Howa is a better bench gun due to its weight, and the Tikka is a better carry gun due to its weight.
  • The trigger on the Howa/Vanguard is OK but just so (and cannot be adjusted below specific minimum creep levels without disabling the safety), while the trigger on the Tikka is (IMO) wonderful.
  • IIRC, both safeties lock the bolt closed when engaged (which is important to me when walking through the woods).
  • The Weatherby's Monte Carlo stock does not provide as consistent a cheekweld for me as does the Tikka - you'll need to see which one fits you better.
  • Weatherby's CS is better than Beretta's.
I'm a Tikka guy, because I value their light weight, CONSISTENT accuracy, and superior trigger. But it's not like the Weatherby is a bad rifle in any stretch of the imagination.
 
The "new" Van 2 trigger is a 2-stage (older Vans were single-stage) & adjustable down to 2.5 pounds, safely.
As I said, the one here breaks at 2.75 clean, with no creep. Dunno how much better it could realistically get, except for some minor overtravel. :)

Van 2 has a three-position safety that does lock the bolt & trigger at the rear position.
Middle position disables the action while leaving the bolt free to cycle for unloading.

The stock may not work equally well for everybody, but I have no problem with it.
Denis
 
I worked with a Vanguard in .308 four or five years back, it'd do about 1.5 inches or thereabouts consistently with the right loads & as a working gun impressed me enough to buy it, even though I'm not a fan of push-feed actions.

The actions are smooth, I like the vents out the side instead of down into the magazine, and while I don't like plastic stocks the ones that come on them are a bit sturdier than some other brands.
Recoil pads are even decent.
And, you can buy models with wood.

This .223 Van 2 is set up as a coyote gun, and it is markedly more accurate than the older one.
If it's representative, I'd believe Weatherby's accuracy guarantee. :)

I think they're an excellent value.
Denis
 
Why do people keep saying the Vanguard is guaranteed to shoot 1.5 inch groups? On their website they say all Weatherby Vanguard rifles are guaranteed to shoot a 3 shot group of .99" or less. http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard_2

As for the OP's question, I plan on buying a Vanguard series 2 when I get the cash. Nothing wrong with the Tikka, but I like the trigger and thicker barrel profile on the Weatherby better.
 
Thanks for the info and weight wise isn't to much of a difference, the T3 Magnum is 7 1/2 pounds while the Vangaurd is 8 pounds. But it seems like I'm leaning towards the T3 seeing as I've held one and it felt pretty comfortable, haven't gotten to do that yet with the Vanguard.
 
Weatherby's used different figures along the way.
Previous Vanguards were stated to shoot around 1.5 inches, with selected guns going lower.

Weatherby's now saying the Van 2 shoots under an inch.

Either way, the guns can shoot well.
Denis
 
Well, I confess to being a Tikka guy since I've bought four of them. However, the Vanguard is an excellent rifle in it's own right. I've nothing bad to say about the Weatherby.

What initially brought me to the Tikka's was the handling qualities. It just fit me a lot better than other rifles. I could bring it to the shoulder quicker, run the bolt from the shoulder, pointed more naturally, and was going to be easier to tote. That initial gun was the Whitetail version (pre T3) in 7mm Rem Mag. The T3's even improved on those handling qualities. The accuracy was initially unexpected (and an unknown), yet turned out to be gravy on the biscuit for all four rifles.

Both are fine quality rifles that will be plenty accurate for hunting (for sure) and usually plenty accurate for certain target shooting (depending on specific need).

My suggestion is to see which fits best, handles best, and cycles best if the gun is to be used in a hunting application. If a gun (any gun) doesn't fit well, it will usually not going to be shot well. Poking tiny groups off a bench should not be the only measure by which you buy a gun. Handling qualities are often an overlooked factor in favor of an extra 1/4" of group on a target. I'd say both the Tikka and Weatherby are more accurate than the shooter using them. Mine usually has more ability than me.

I love the Tikka accuracy, love the handling qualities even better. I'm a short 5'8" old man, with short arms and small hands. If I were tall and long armed the Weatherby might have been a better option.

You mileage will vary!
 
It's a shame you can't take them out and shoot side by side. Not necessarily about accuracy, but what feels best. Sawmp is right. I've been a life long fan/owner of Weatherby's, not just the Vanguard. My current VS2 is a .223 and it is the most comfortable fun rifle in the case. I'm also a short lil old dude, it fits me like a glove. I have adjusted the trigger on the Vanguard a little below what is supposedly safe/possible and have not had a single issue with it, took about a half hour of tinkering and it breaks at 1.8 cleanly and consitantly. I've only had one Tikka, a T3 in 223 and it is a fine rifle, just not for me. Do have a Tikka 12ga, love it. Next on the list is a Weatherby SA 12ga. My $0.02 worth.
 
I cant speak for tikka , however my stainless V1 Vanguard is one of my favorites. Mine is a 257 Weatherby mag. Ive got a very nice leupold on there in PRW rings on top of a Warne one piece tactical base. No creep at all in the trigger. It can hit a 2" thick plate turned sideways at 200 yds with factory ammo. My only group at 110 yds with it was 7/8 in. with factory ammo. Mine is circa 2010. With this rifle you can use a dead on hold to at least 350 yd. The only thing i dont like is the made in japan on the side.
 
A vote for the Vanguard here. I love my Vanguard VGX and would not trade it. This has been my deer rifle for right at 20 years. Any complaints with the weight of the rifle are lost on me. I have carried this rifle all over the place and I am no worse for the wear. It is moa or better with all ammo I have put through it. YMMV
 
I have both, and both are accurate (though none are in the OPs chambering of choice).

One difference you may want to consider is the scope mounting system. The Vanguard uses bases screwed to the receiver (and, frankly, I have some problems with one of the screw holes and may have to re-tap it). The Tikka uses the Sako groove reciever.

I like the Tikka a bit better because it gives me a bit more latitude in tuning the scope position to my eyes.
 
The Vanguard uses just about any mount made for the Remington 700, which gives you a lot of leeway in choices.
Denis
 
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