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Tactical .410 firearms

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ScrapMetalSlug, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. ScrapMetalSlug

    ScrapMetalSlug Member

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    As I am sure most of you have noticed, 410 seems to be immune from the run on ammo currently.
    What hi-cap "tactical firearms" are available in .410? I know there is a Saiga .410, but they are selling for crazy prices. Is there anything else out there?

    Is .410 practical for self defense even with slugs?
     
  2. Airbrush Artist

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    Taurus Judge...
     
  3. InkEd

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    Saiga is the only high cap model.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    I'm not aware of any high cap .410 bore offerings, but for home defense, the 6+1 configuration of the Mossberg 500 should do.

    And there are starting to be some very good hybrid home defense offerings in .410.
     
  6. JFrame

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    There's also the devastating S&W Governor "Street Sweeper"... [​IMG]


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  7. Guvnor

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    Out of a full size shotgun, 410 slug or buckshot is nothing to sneeze at for defense. The slug has muzzle energy around .357 mag levels. The winchester buckshot is either 3 or 5 pellets of 000 buck at 1300 or 1100 fps, respectively. It's no 12 gauge but i certainly wouldn't feel undergunned with the 410 and the above loads.
     
  8. KevininPa

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    The only mall ninja type thing..

    ........I own that is all "tackycooled" ( to borrow rc's wording ) is a Saiga .410 in a kushnapup stock. Just got done putting everything together today. It's going to be the "red-headed stepchild" of everything I own. Everything else has standard hunting style stocks.
     
  9. Lex Luthier

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    Amen to the Taurus Judge. Of any sidearm in my collection I would love to wear OWB, this is it. Ya just gotta get used to the kick. Awesome.
     
  10. Airbrush Artist

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    Lex I had a Guy tell me the The Judge is a Novelty gun...Reely ,not If You confronted with one in someones home walking down the hallway to their bedroom to do some evil ,That would be the LAST hallway they walked down a amazing firearm thats on My Bucket list to own...
     
  11. gp911

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    You might seek out a used .410 upper. Maker was Sarif Arms or some such? 2.5" shells only. Not tactical, but Winchester offered a lever action repeater, the 9410. Then there's the Circuit Judge, wasn't there a Rem 1100 offered? That would be a nice one... Love me some .410s...
     
  12. JFrame

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    Not that numbers tell the whole story, but here are Wiley Clapp's results for various .410 loads out of the Governor (at 5 yards):

    Federal 2 1/2" 000 (4) Buckshot: 1,198 fps, 930 ft/lbs.

    Remington 2 1/2" 000 (4) Buckshot: 1,212 fps, 952 ft/lbs.

    Winchester 2 1/2" Defense Discs (3) BB shot (12): 788 fps, 408 ft/lbs.

    As someone else said, nothing to sneeze at...


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  13. David E

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    You might want to do some more research before going all ga-ga over this gun. To prevent carjackings at a distance of 1-2 feet? Sure, it's great for that, as well as snake control, but that's about it, at least when loaded with .410 shells. Load it with .45 Colt, it's better for defense, but then it's a much bigger gun than it needs to be.

    To use your example, let's put your 4 year old child in the arms of the badguy. Would you still want a Judge loaded with shotshells?

    www.boxotruth.com would be a good place to start your research.
     
  14. hogshead

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    I cant even kill a squirrel with a 410 I would hate to have to depend on one for a defense weapon.
     
  15. 12Bravo20

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    You just need to shoot a .410 more and get practice. I use a .410 for squirrel, rabbit, quail, and dove. Doves are about the only thing that gives me trouble trying to get my limit. Shooting my daily limit of the others is easy with a .410
     
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    I was hitting the squirrels but they would fall out of the tree and I would have to chase them. Kinda embarrassing. I usually just use a 12 guage now. Cheaper ,more common ammo and much deadlier.
     
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    A slug works really good on yotes. Good solid broadside hit, yelp, jumped died. Cant get any deader than that.

    I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one.
     
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    Does the akdal come in .410?

    Personally, unless you're getting it for a youth or a small person, I think the .410 doesn't benefit much from a magazine tube. In fact, if you're using what I would use (3" shells), you would actually get less capacity than 2.75" shells in the same size tube. So unless you're using a judge or a saiga, I don't really see the point of it.
     
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    Second on the Saiga. 410 is one of my favorite rounds and I'd love to own a semiauto. I have to echo 12bravo20's statement. I hunt only small game, and if there is enough game to shoot at on a given day I can usually keep up with my hunting buddy's O/U 12 gauge with my SxS 410. It is trickier to make a good hit but it's possible with practice. My best advice is to treat the .410 as if you're going after your target with a .22. Then when you switch over to 12 gauge it'll feel like cheating.

    I would recommend the Circuit Judge carbine as the concept (to me) is pretty novel. Five rounds of back-to-back 4-5 pellet buckshot with all of the pros of a DA revolver. Plus they're making a tactical version with a nifty stock that holds 5 extra rounds of ammo. I'm hesitant to recommend it as a potential "hard times" weapon though after experiencing a pin breakage (the one that goes through the center of the hammer) following only three boxes of Winchester ammunition through my brand new Taurus Judge PD. It's not like you can just replace the pin either as it is attached to the left receiver half. I traded it back in plus cash for a quality 1911 and haven't looked back. I don't know if Rossi's Circuit Judge suffers from the same quality control issues that Taurus revolvers seem to.

    I've handled a couple of Governors. The pin that goes through the hammer on S&W's 410/45LC appears to be much beefier and the overall quality is leaps and bounds above the Judge. You get what you pay for.
     

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